Opinion Vote now! Your stance on guns!

[Area809]

I vote Democrat and I own guns. I’m currently living overseas, so I left my guns in storage just in case I move back (not likely anytime soon). I’m pro guns and pro stricter background checks + laws.

 

[Larzon]

In any decent safe nation to live no one needs a gun but America is too far gone and not even the routine slaying of children DAILY can change their thought process on guns. So if I lived in the US I'd have a gun

 

[Belaya Smert]

How pro gun am i?
William J Hughes was a fucking communist.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

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We need more restrictions and more responsible storage laws.

Keep your hands off my Benellli M4 though.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The casualties would by high I'm not saying they wouldn't. But the amount of force needed to quiet such a thing down would de legitimize the very government doing it. We aren't talking about hitting military bases and uniforms here. You want to be part of an occupation like that?

I'm aware the government has better toys dude but that kind of violence doesn't happen in a vacuum and every action will cause a reaction. The day the US government turns drones on the homeland its days would be numbered. You think that government would have wide spread support of the people it wishes to govern/oppress for long ? You want to be part of the occupation of your neighborhood and your co workers and family ?

You just aren't thinking about this correctly you are only thinking about hardware.

The way things are going the issue is that the side of the aisle with guns would likely side with the government in its oppression.

If Trump decided to drone strike illegal immigrants and killed some libs along the way does anyone really think 2nd amendment fanatics would stand up for those illegals and liberals? Doubtful. It's lawyers and activists who would take a stand, the exact kind of folks that 2nd amendment folks tend not to think fondly of.

 

[Aurelian]

In any decent safe nation to live no one needs a gun but America is too far gone and not even the routine slaying of children DAILY can change their thought process on guns. So if I lived in the US I'd have a gun

Brother it's not exactly the Wild Wild West over here. In 2021, there were 2590 deaths among children 17 and under and that number includes suicides.

The vast majority of gun violence is gang violence.

 

[HereticBD]

Anti-gun in my culture. It's crazy to me, that at any time some kook can play God with the easiest of killing tools. Don't know what I'd be saying if I grew up in America's gun culture, though. You got your issues with it, but in general, you boys seem to be able to handle that nuclear stalemate-like situation.

 

[Stoic1]

Always remember that 50 years ago kids could drive to school with rifles or shotguns in their truck to go hunting after school. They would bring their .22lr to school for the after school clubs. For 200 years guns have been in most American households.

Look at WHO is doing the shooting and WHO is getting killed. When you can honestly look at the stats you will see the problem. YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT THOUGH. Do not do that.

Do not blame the people. Blame the inanimate object. It's way easier.

 

[BFoe]

Brother it's not exactly the Wild Wild West over here. In 2021, there were 2590 deaths among children 17 and under and that number includes suicides.

The vast majority of gun violence is gang violence.

Compared to other developed countries it is. In fact, states here with the lowest child and teen gun deaths have higher rates than peer countries.

Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF

Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.

www.kff.org

 

[Aurelian]

Compared to other developed countries it is. In fact, states here with the lowest child and teen gun deaths have higher rates than peer countries.


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Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF

Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.

www.kff.org

I'm curious, because 40% of firearm deaths of that 2590 figure were from suicides. Is there data that shows suicide rates being differently in these nations than the US. What I'm saying, is if a person wants to kill themselves, is not having access to a gun going to prevent that?

Suicide by gun seems like an easy method, which could be driving those rates, no?

To go slightly further, shouldn't we be examining why our kids want to kill themselves rather than the specific method they choose?

 

[Stoic1]

Always remember that 50 years ago kids could drive to school with rifles or shotguns in their truck to go hunting after school. They would bring their .22lr to school for the after school clubs. For 200 years guns have been in most American households.

Look at WHO is doing the shooting and WHO is getting killed. When you can honestly look at the stats you will see the problem. YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT THOUGH. Do not do that.

Do not blame the people. Blame the inanimate object. It's way easier.

 

[ChickenBrother]

FYI if the government wanted to turn on its citizens, you'd still get vaporized. Your hunting rifle isn't going to help you LOL

 

[HereticBD]

I'm curious, because 40% of firearm deaths of that 2590 figure were from suicides. Is there data that shows suicide rates being differently in these nations than the US. What I'm saying, is if a person wants to kill themselves, is not having access to a gun going to prevent that?

I think it would in a lot of cases. With a gun, you don't have to think much. Have a really bad day, and a gun is in arm's reach...click, dead. Other methods give you time to think, and leaves more room for hesitation. The truly determined will still do it, but I'd wager a healthy portion of gun suicides are spur of the moment actions, that wouldn't have been carried out to conclusion if they didn't have a gun.

 

[BFoe]

I'm curious, because 40% of firearm deaths of that 2590 figure were from suicides. Is there data that shows suicide rates being differently in these nations than the US. What I'm saying, is if a person wants to kill themselves, is not having access to a gun going to prevent that?

Suicide by gun seems like an easy method, which could be driving those rates, no?

To go slightly further, shouldn't we be examining why our kids want to kill themselves rather than the specific method they choose?

Compared to other wealthy nations we’re the highest.

New International Report on Health Care: U.S. Suicide Rate Highest Among Wealthy Nations

The United States spends substantially more than any other wealthy nation on health care, yet it has a lower life expectancy and a higher suicide rate than its peer nations, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report.

www.commonwealthfund.org

And yes, we absolutely should be looking at why people commit suicde, not just the method—but it also wouldn’t be accurate to say, “Oh, we don’t have a gun problem, we have a suicide problem.”

We have far more mass shootings than any other developed country, we have far more school shootings than any other developed country, and more gun violence on the whole than any other developed country.

 

[Hdfi]

Legalize it.

 

[HomeCheese]

I think you can sum it up simply by saying guns are for criminals and pussies. I could grant a few exceptions for true hunters.

 

[aerius]

- This isnt a gun. Thats a gun:

Everyone should have a pickup truck with a ZPU-2 heavy machine gun in the back.

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Technically we should be able to also purchase shoulder fired weapons systems such as the AT4, Gustav M4 or Javelin as well

 

[Stoic1]

Compared to other wealthy nations we’re the highest.

New International Report on Health Care: U.S. Suicide Rate Highest Among Wealthy Nations

The United States spends substantially more than any other wealthy nation on health care, yet it has a lower life expectancy and a higher suicide rate than its peer nations, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report.

www.commonwealthfund.org

And yes, we absolutely should be looking at why people commit suicde, not just the method—but it also wouldn’t be accurate to say, “Oh, we don’t have a gun problem, we have a suicide problem.”

We have far more mass shootings than any other developed country, we have far more school shootings than any other developed country, and more gun violence on the whole than any other developed country.

I have 2 posts on the previous page that discusses those exact issues.

 

[HomeCheese]

Always remember that 50 years ago kids could drive to school with rifles or shotguns in their truck to go hunting after school. They would bring their .22lr to school for the after school clubs. For 200 years guns have been in most American households.

Look at WHO is doing the shooting and WHO is getting killed. When you can honestly look at the stats you will see the problem. YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT THOUGH. Do not do that.

Do not blame the people. Blame the inanimate object. It's way easier.

Lets talk about it, who get the blame for almost all the shootings and gun killings in America? I'll go first: The toxic American male. American men are responsible for nearly 90% of the gun violence. How about we ban men from owning guns? Oh yeah, statistics shows male veterans can't be trusted with a weapon too. Y'all are especially toxic.