you misunderstood me on that. obviously cigs are not going to help you at all, and with steroids, who said taking steroids is going to make you a better fighter?...you can analyse my opinion all you want, bottomline is I dont give a shit about what others think on the matter, I was expressing me opinion on the matter, take it for what little worth is has...
I just think your opinion should be a little more based on complete information is all.
Nope. Synthol is used as a site injectable in order to inflate a specific bodypart. Normally used for things like tri's and rear delts by a lot of bodybuilders. I've never even heard of a bodybuilder trying to shoot synthol into their stomach.
GH gut and 'hormone gut' is widely discussed by on the BB forums. Ronnie Coleman's (and a lot of the other mass monsters') guts are generally attibuted to GH and insulin abuse. Definately NOT synthol.
Firstly, BB forums are hardly what I consider the community. The community more refers to athletes and trainers, not necessarily fans. I'm not part of that community myself either.
Secondly, the things you state are slightly contrary to things I've read. But people are free to publish whatever they like. I've read studies that the GH gut is nothing more than myth, with sound backing as to why. The issue is still debated. I could be wrong, contrary to my tone I'm open to being wrong.
you are saying it's alright because it helps improve someones size and strength for a sport, and that's what i pay to see. BUT IT IS NOT ALRIGHT BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THE RULES. this is where we msut draw the line, if you are gonna look past steroid rules, why not just get bionic arm implants, anamantium reinforced bones... that's ridiculous.
when athletes use steroids, they only use as much as they can get away with without getting caught, unlike something like prowrestling where no one really cares, that's why you see these guys drop like flies.
and no one knows the long term effects of steroid use, some could say you look at arnold etc. and see what's up with them. arnold regrets using and has had heart surgeries because of it, franco culombo regrets using and has had subsequent heart problems, and lou ferrigno probably has the worst of it. and the best part about those guys is they were using roids in the 70s, roids today are 10 times stronger, you can't even compare them.
If this is directed at me then you might want to re-read the thread. What I'm arguing against in this entire thread is every single person who is using mis or half-information to argue the steriods = evil idea. I have no problem with people not choosing to take them. I don't take them. But I'm just not going to let it slide when people relay specifically wrong information, or act like something is wrong when they don't even really fully understand what they're talking about.
A lot of people like to point to the claim that 'no death can be directly attributed to steroid use'. Most studies will look to correlation though, not causation though.
If we look at steroid users as a population, you will find numerous incidences of health problems greater than that of the general population. The conclusion would be that there is a correlation between steroid use and heart problems, etc.
*note* Although I fully expect to be flamed for the above post please know what the difference is between correlation and causation before doing so. *note*
Since I'm pretty positive this is directed at me I'll answer sans what you may consider flaming:
Causation and correlation are different, obviously. However, that is not the position of the Government or MOST of the people in this thread. The position is steroids WILL kill you or harm you imminently in the end. Correlation can have many different agents that lead to causation. However it is the pattern that if steroids are in correlation, automatically people forget every other aspect of said correlation and only mention steroids as causation. Even if they're given the proper information. Examples:
-All of the people saying Eddie Guerrero died of steroids. No he didn't. Steroids didn't help and possibly advanced his condition, but the Doctors who did the autopsy said he was an imminent walking heart-attack. (This also applies to every Pro Wrestler who has died from ANY drug overdose, so far I've seen twice on this page that Pro Wreslters are dropping like flies...in THIS thread. Which signifies many people here don't even know the causes of death of a lot of these Wrestlers. CAUSES, not correlations...of which there are usually MANY.)
-All of the people saying Arnold has had heart problems because of steroids, who failed to understand the term congenital.
-All of the people who attribute Flex Wheeler's kidney disease to steroids. Again, the steroids didn't help, but it was actually the weight draining and dehydration that made his condition much much worse than it had been previously.
But it's very very easy to take away all of those factors and look for one of the things all of those men had in-common. The use of anabolics. Nevermind any other aspect of their lifestyles. Steroids did it. It's that kind of ignorant perpetuation that I'm arguing against in this thread.
