Media USADA tests under 100 picograms per ML

[JoshR86]

They're all on dude.

Theyve been on since the days of Royce and Shamrock when guys were getting $500 a fight.

Now fighters can make millions.

You're living in a fantasy if you think pro athletes are not.

WADA allows 3:1 T/E ratio, athletes are on roids, but not enough to set off the alarms.

The guide Lines are similar to weight cutting, everybody cuts weight, but it's when an athlete misses weight is he considered a cheater.

Same with steroids, they are all on it, but only those who abuse it to gain an unfair advantage are caught and penalized.

Unless your Jon Jones, where they are literally changing the book and deviating from WADA to accommodate a habitual cheater.

 

[JoshR86]

Even if UFC is not a legitimate and honest brand with USADA, it's still less worse than elsewhere.

If USADA is still bad, that means it's much worse elsewhere, so it doesn't change anything : USADA > anything else.

VADA > USADA

I can give you several clear examples why, but you're probably too dumb to understand them

 

[Yellowcrab]

VADA > USADA

I can give you several clear examples why, but you're probably too dumb to understand them

No and i already know those bullshit examples.

Also, VADA doesn't publish any data + doesn't do permanent control : they only test during short period of time.

VADA = bullshit even if still better than nothing.

 

[turbotime]

Why do you care ?? momma's boy. Unreal. Let them settle it.

 

[ocfightfan]

I probably missed a thread on his last month but I was trying to do more research on why USADA changed their testing requirements. It says USADA now tests under 100 picograms per ML are not positive anymore because the “science has changed”. There are several YouTube videos out there if you search for it. Does anyone know more about this?

I believe the reasons are the overlap between improved detection technology, and environmental contamination. PEDs and their downstream chemical byproducts are found all over our environment in trace amounts. They are in our food, our water, the packaging, etc. etc. Incidental exposure is going to happen and is virtually impossible to avoid. But the trace amounts of these chemical that most people will be exposed to do not provide any therapeutic or performance enhancing benefit. And it was impossible to sort out what was from environmental contamination and the residue of PEDs. So it was decided that anything below a certain threshold would not be treated as cheating.

At least that is how I understand it.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

I probably missed a thread on his last month but I was trying to do more research on why USADA changed their testing requirements. It says USADA now tests under 100 picograms per ML are not positive anymore because the “science has changed”. There are several YouTube videos out there if you search for it. Does anyone know more about this?

Because notorious cheaters get caught cheating. it affects $$$$$.

Just sounds like excusing gear.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

I believe the reasons are the overlap between improved detection technology, and environmental contamination. PEDs and their downstream chemical byproducts are found all over our environment in trace amounts. They are in our food, our water, the packaging, etc. etc. Incidental exposure is going to happen and is virtually impossible to avoid. But the trace amounts of these chemical that most people will be exposed to do not provide any therapeutic or performance enhancing benefit. And it was impossible to sort out what was from environmental contamination and the residue of PEDs. So it was decided that anything below a certain threshold would not be treated as cheating.

At least that is how I understand it.

Sounds made up.

Cheaters gonna cheat.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

I am so confused right now, which one of us is high?

both of us are? or none of us?

 

[Clark Rogers]

A picogram is a 1 trillionth of a gram, I feel like the picogram thing only became known about because testing has gotten significantly better over time.

It's exactly that.

There's some confusion about what a "passed test" and what a "failed test" is too. If someone comes in perfectly clean, another comes in under threshold, those are both passes you'd never hear anything about. Clean is essentially 0 to threshold.

They can catch super small trace accounts of stuff now that never would've registered 3, 5, 10, or more years ago. That has more to do with why USADA is changing thresholds across sports than Jon Jones does.

 

[Pechan]

Life is amazing, I mean what are the chances of they announcing this so close to a Jon Jones fight which the UFC was promoting as the return of the undisputed GOAT? shit is crazy.

 

[deucesarewild]

I do care. It allows fighters to compete with PEDs in their system with small amounts still effective enough to improve their performance.

Changing allowable limits means these guys who want to cheat, who only fight 2x per year, training for 5 to 8 weeks each time, have over half of the year out of camp where they are never tested (unless under VADA, which is a different animal), and can therefore harness the benefits of PEDs. Then, when they get tested in camp, their levels are nonexistent or within the allowable limits.

If cheaters want to cheat, give them their own league. Combat sports can still be entertaining without steroids. Look back 100 years. 15 round fights. Plenty of good action.

 

[Yellowcrab]

have over half of the year out of camp where they are never tested (unless under VADA, which is a different animal).

Wtf are you talking about ? : https://www.usada.org/athletes/testing/whereabouts/

VADA, on the other hand, doesn't do permanent testing.

Don't compare USADA to the joke VADA is please.

 

[kflo]

Assistance in what exactly? Pretty vague, eh? What is it you think he did for them in order to get a reduced sentence? And most importantly, why don't you think that's public knowledge? Probably because whatever it was amounted to absolutely nothing and it was just an excuse to lessen Jon's punishment and make him eligible to compete sooner so as not to hurt the UFC's hand which feeds them (even if the UFC doesn't pay them directly, this "partnership" provides a ton of work and job security for USADA for the foreseeable future)

By most successful cash cow, I don't mean that he's the biggest draw. That's obviously Conor followed by Brock and maybe Ronda. Jones is on the tier below them, I'd say. But of their cash cows (and anyone else, really), he's had the most successful fighting career. And more than anyone else, it's that career success that drives his drawing power (unlike Conor whose celebrity transcends the sport).

It is bad, bad, bad business for the UFC if Jon's career success or legitimacy is tarnished or called into question at all. Jeff Novitsky is a talking head to make sure that doesn't happen, and the UFC's relationship with USADA makes it apparent that USADA assists in controlling the damage.

Cash cows fabricio werdum and Paulo costa also used substantial assistance. Do you know what it was? No, you don’t. Do you assume it’s fake and an excuse?

Jon jones legitimacy is of course questioned all over the place.

As for the usada science director who’s making a (decent) salary, don’t you think he could make more money in the private sector? And don’t you think discrediting yourself by being blatantly corrupt (as you’re suggesting) would diminish his earning power? And usada would need a science director without the ufc. He makes slightly more than the prior science director made from before usada had the ufc.

 

[kflo]

Changing allowable limits means these guys who want to cheat, who only fight 2x per year, training for 5 to 8 weeks each time, have over half of the year out of camp where they are never tested (unless under VADA, which is a different animal), and can therefore harness the benefits of PEDs. Then, when they get tested in camp, their levels are nonexistent or within the allowable limits.

If cheaters want to cheat, give them their own league. Combat sports can still be entertaining without steroids. Look back 100 years. 15 round fights. Plenty of good action.

What do you mean never tested out of camp? That’s blatantly false.

And jones was also tested by Vada…….

And suggesting Vada is somehow superior to usada is nonsense.

 

[kflo]

Life is amazing, I mean what are the chances of they announcing this so close to a Jon Jones fight which the UFC was promoting as the return of the undisputed GOAT? shit is crazy.

This change was implemented in 2019…..

 

[NoSmilez]

VADA > USADA

I can give you several clear examples why, but you're probably too dumb to understand them

They both follow WADA.

 

[XDeathClutchX]

I do care. It allows fighters to compete with PEDs in their system with small amounts still effective enough to improve their performance.

Are you an expert on this, I am not but from what I have read those amounts are so small they make no difference.

 

[DougieJones]

Tbf we don't know for certain that he hasn't. Courtesy of Jon Jones' multiple failures for multiple PED's, and the havoc it has wreaked for the UFC, USADA no longer publicizes drug test failures or suspensions.

 

[NoSmilez]

Yeah. I doubt a lot of people including myself really knew what a picogram was or was even a measurement. And as testing gets better there will inevitably be a time where even smaller quantities can be found which can then easily fall into tainted supplement levels. Of course microdosing is a problem but I feel like tainted supplements becomes more likely the lower the quantities of the PEDs are. You’re not gonna find a gram of Deca in a supplement but you might find very very small amounts from the right manufacturer. At what point is knowing that there’s 5 picograms in someone’s system worth it?

Threshold for Nandrolone(Deca) is 2ng/ml. It's a lot higher than Turinabol's threshold of 100 picograms.

It is because your body naturally produces nandrolone. It's an intermediary between estradiol and testosterone. Everyone has a tiny amount of it in their body. Women should have it more than men.

 

[nintey]

They're all on dude.

Theyve been on since the days of Royce and Shamrock when guys were getting $500 a fight.

Now fighters can make millions.

You're living in a fantasy if you think pro athletes are not.

People are extremely naïve to how common they are. The top level of any athletic competition comes downs to inches and fractions of a second. Anything that can be done to increase performance will be. There's probably some fighters who are clean but they are a minority.