Social US Women's National Team Just Want To Be Treated Fairly - The Men's Can't Even Qualify For World Cup

Skip Reming said:
How so? The women are the best at women. The men are not any good. Also, Soccer is a women's sport. One team has a profit the other doesn't, now who should be paid more??? You business?
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You clearly have no idea how the sport works. The US women dominate a sport that is not very big to begin with, women's soccer doesn't not have the resources and revenue as mens, that is a fact. Men's soccer is the #1 sport in the world and is a massive money maker so when the men play, they generate more money then the big womens game. and FFS read the OP and the thread, the whole "women make more than the men" angle has already been discussed
 
InvestigatorIL said:
This is a joke. The women should be paid 5X more than the men. When the world up comes around people are glued to the screen to watch the women. The man are lucky to make the world cup every year
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The championship game against Japan for the women really had amazing viewership, really great ratings no doubt.

Other than that game the men's viewership is much better. It would be interesting to see how those viewership numbers are translated into money for men and women players. My guess is viewership doesn't directly increase the players pay, but it helps their sponsorship dollars.
 
WrestlinganJudo said:
To be honest being as good is not the real problem. They don't bring in the free cash flow. If they brought in the same unincumbered money they would have higher pay.
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If that's happening now, that will be reflected on the next contract the players negotiate.
 
bref said:
I don't blame them. The US men's soccer team sucks while the women's is probably the best in the world. I'm willing to bet more Americans watch the women play. 'Murica likes a winner.
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Not even close

What is not included are Spanish-language viewing figures.

2015 U.S. Women's World Cup Group Stage English-Language Viewers:
5,043,000 USA-Nigeria (Fox)
4,500,000 USA-Sweden (Fox)
3,311,000 USA-Australia (Fox Sports 1)
AVERAGE: 4,285,000.

2014 U.S. Men's World CupGroup StageEnglish-Language Viewers:
18,220,000 USA-Portugal, ESPN
11,100,000 USA-Ghana, ESPN
10,800,000 USA-Germany, ESPN
AVERAGE:13,374,000.
2015 U.S. Women's Send-Off English-Language Viewers:
998,000 USA-South Korea, ESPN
457,000 USA-Mexico, Fox Sports 1
319,000 USA-Ireland, Fox Sports 1
AVERAGE:591,000.

2014 U.S. Men's Send-Off English-Language Viewers:
1,231,000 USA-Nigeria, ESPN
1,067,000 USA-Turkey, ESPN2
749,000 USA-Azerbaijan, ESPN2
AVERAGE:1,106,000
2015 U.S. Women's Friendly English-Language Viewers:
AVG. MATCH (DATE), NETWORK
998,000 USA-South Korea (May 30), ESPN
709,000 USA-China (Dec. 16), Fox Sports 1
489,000 USA-China (Dec. 13), ESPN2
457,000 USA-Mexico (May 17), Fox Sports 1
342,000 USA-Trin. & Tob. (Dec. 10), ESPN2
331,000 USA-Brazil (Oct. 21), ESPN2
319,000 USA-Ireland (May 10), Fox Sports 1
315,000 USA-Costa Rica (Aug. 16), Fox Sports 1
294,000 France-USA (Feb. 8), ESPN2
274,000 USA-Costa Rica (Aug. 19), ESPN2
257,000 USA-New Zealand (April 4), Fox Sports 1
249,000 USA-Brazil (Oct. 25), Fox Sports 1
207,000 USA-Haiti (Sept. 17), Fox Sports 1
173,000 USA-Haiti (Sept. 20), ESPN2
163,000 USA-Switzerland (March 6), Fox Sports 1
154,000 USA-Norway (March 3), Fox Sports 1
138,000 USA-France (March 11), Fox Sports 1
121,000 England-USA (Feb. 13), Fox Sports 1
AVERAGE:333,000.

2015 U.S. Men's Friendly English-Language Viewers:
AVG. MATCH (DATE), NETWORK
1,012,000 USA-Brazil (Sept. 8), ESPN
806,000 USA-Mexico (April 15), Fox Sports 1
680,000 Netherlands-USA (June 5), ESPN
668,000 Germany-USA (June 10), Fox Sports 1
674,000 USA-Panama (Feb. 8), ESPN
469,000 USA-Guatemala (July 3), Fox Sports 1
445,000 USA-Peru (Sept. 4), Fox Sports 1
400,000 Denmark-USA (March 25), ESPN2
261,000 Switzerland-USA (March 29), Fox Sports 1
254,000 Chile-USA (Jan. 28), Fox Sports 1
AVERAGE:567,000.
2015 U.S. Women's World Cup English-Language Viewers:
25,400,000 USA-Japan (Fox)
8,400,000 USA-Germany (Fox)
5,700,000 USA-China (Fox)
5,043,000 USA-Nigeria (Fox)
4,700,000 USA-Colombia (Fox Sports 1)
4,500,000 USA-Sweden (Fox)
3,311,000 USA-Australia (Fox Sports 1)
AVERAGE: 8,151,000.

2014 U.S. Men's World CupEnglish-Language Viewers:
18,220,000 USA-Portugal, ESPN
16.500,000 USA-Belgium, ESPN
11,100,000 USA-Ghana, ESPN
10,800,000 USA-Germany, ESPN
AVERAGE:14,156,000.

 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
the article says they brought in 20 million more than the men last, year but got paid 4x less.

what am i missing here?

it should be a sliding scale based on what you produce.
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They brought in 20 more million? I am betting they are not doing a proper cost accounting creating the illusion of higher free cash flow that's not there.

If the women are honestly bringing in more after costs then there is a problem and the women are right.
 
InvestigatorIL said:
This is a joke. The women should be paid 5X more than the men. When the world up comes around people are glued to the screen to watch the women. The man are lucky to make the world cup every year
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lol no
 
Going back and reading the thread it looks like I spoke too soon.

The only way I think this works out for them is if the have a base pay and a revenue based bonus scheme at the end.
 
WrestlinganJudo said:
Going back and reading the thread it looks like I spoke too soon.

The only way I think this works out for them is if the have a base pay and a revenue based bonus scheme at the end.
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I'm no economics person. So what is the truth here in your opinion?
 
TheStruggle said:
Not even close
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Huh, that's kind of surprising to me, thanks. Do you have numbers for the Women's World Cup in Vancouver? I figured the women would bring in more viewership as they're the world #1 ranked team whereas your men's team is somewhere around #30. I guess men's sports just trump all no matter the quality (which is totally understandable).
 
ripskater said:
I'm no economics person. So what is the truth here in your opinion?
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If you want true earnings based on free cash flow to go to the people who were involved in creating it a new contract might not benefit those same exact women.

This is more accounting than it is economics or finance. To reward the players involved a new contact. What about players that will not be on the same team next year?

It does look like these women brought in the revenue and are not getting the reward.
 
IDL said:
For market principles, it shouldn't be about how good they are when it comes to getting paid, it should be how much money they generate.
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I came into the thread to ask this question. Does anyone know the answer?
 
method115 said:
I came into the thread to ask this question. Does anyone know the answer?
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Women's soccer is not a big sport, it doesn't matter how good they are, it isn't as big as the men, this is like comparing the Los Angeles Sparks to the Phoenix Suns
 
method115 said:
I came into the thread to ask this question. Does anyone know the answer?
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It's one page back. Revenue before sponsorship was greater for men than women the last four years total.
 
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