Social US Women's National Team Just Want To Be Treated Fairly - The Men's Can't Even Qualify For World Cup

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    U.S. Women's National Team files wage-discrimination action vs. U.S. Soccer

    Apr 1, 2016

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    Five members of the U.S. women's national soccer team -- including Hope Solo, Carli Lloyd and Alex Morgan -- have filed on behalf of the entire team a wage-discrimination action against the U.S. Soccer Federation with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

    The filing, citing figures from the USSF's 2015 financial report, says that despite the women's team generating nearly $20 million more revenue last year than the U.S. men's team, the women are paid almost four times less.

    "Recently, it has become clear that the Federation has no intention of providing us equal pay for equal work," Megan Rapinoe said in a news release, after also attaching her name to the filing along with Becky Sauerbrunn.

    Tim Howard, the men's national team goalie, told ESPN's SportsCenter on Thursday that the men's team supports the women's team fight.

    "We support the fact that the women should fight for their rights and fight for what they think is just compensation. We, on the men's side, have been fighting that battle for a long, long time," Howard told SportsCenter. "We certainly know what it feels like. We felt underpaid for a long time. We had to negotiate our way to a settlement."

    Landon Donovan also chimed in on Twitter.



    Among the numbers cited in the EEOC filing are that the women would earn $99,000 each if they won 20 friendlies, the minimum number they are required to play in a year. But the men would likely earn $263,320 each for the same feat, and would get $100,000 even if they lost all 20 games. Additionally, the women get paid nothing for playing more than 20 games, while the men get between $5,000 and $17,625 for each game played beyond 20.

    "Every single day we sacrifice just as much as the men. We work just as much," Morgan told "Today." "We endure just as much physically and emotionally. Our fans really do appreciate us every day for that. We saw that with the high of last summer. We're really asking, and demanding now, that our federation, and our employer really, step up and appreciate us as well."

    Also greatly disparate, according to the figures, is the pay for playing in the World Cup. The U.S. women received a team total of $2 million when it won the World Cup last year in Canada. Yet when the U.S. men played in the World Cup in Brazil in 2014, the team earned a total of $9 million despite going just 1-2-1 and being knocked out in the round of 16.

    Many players on the national team have become increasingly vocal about gender equity in the sport, something that came to light in advance of last year's World Cup in Canada. A group of players led by Abby Wambach filed a complaint in Canada about the artificial turf playing surface, noting the men's World Cup is played on natural grass.

    After the women won the World Cup with a 5-2 victory over Japan in the final, the turf issue arose again during a victory tour when a game in Hawaii was canceled because the artificial turf was deemed unsafe.

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    Update: The WNT and U.S Soccer has ratified a new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    As reported by the New York Times and Sports Illustrated, some of the most important parts of the deal are:
    • A “sizable increase” in base pay for the USWNT players and bigger bonuses, which could lead to some players doubling their incomes and earning $200,000 to $300,000 per year — and even more during World Cup years.
    • Improved travel accommodations and working conditions — a category that likely includes field quality.
    • Union control over some of the USWNT licensing and marketing rights.
    • Greater support the National Women’s Soccer League (NWSL), with a continued commitment to pay NWSL salaries for allocated USWNT players, additional field and stadium oversight, and greater bonuses for players who don’t have a USWNT contract.
    • Per diems that are equal to the ones the men’s nation team receives.
     
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    http://espn.go.com/espnw/sports/art...discrimination-action-vs-us-soccer-federation

    U.S. Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati, along with USSF outside counsel Russell Sauer, gave an impassioned defense of the federation's history of support for the U.S. women's national team, as well as the way it compensates the team's players.

    Earlier Thursday, five U.S women's national team players -- Carli Lloyd, Hope Solo, Becky Sauerbrunn, Megan Rapinoe and Alex Morgan -- announced that they had filed an action with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) accusing the U.S. Soccer Federation of wage discrimination.

    "We are leaders in developing the game, and we're going to continue to do that and take a leadership role on the women's side of the game," Gulati said during a conference call with reporters. "We are committed to working with the players' association to address some of the issues they've raised and getting an agreement done starting in January of 2017. I'm confident that will happen."

    According to the federation's most recent annual report, it was projecting a loss for the combined national teams for fiscal year 2016, but as a result of the success of the women's team, it is now projecting $17.7 million in profit. This disparity continues in 2017, when the women's team is expected to net $5 million in profit, whereas the men's team will be $1 million in the red. The women make less in terms of travel and per diems.

    It is important to put these numbers in context. The periods encompassing the 2016 and 2017 fiscal years will see the U.S. women's national team play two major tournaments: the 2015 Women's World Cup and the 2016 Olympic games. These years represent the peak revenue-producing periods for the women's team, and revenues are expected to go down in the two years following the Olympics. Even so, the women have made it clear that the revenue-producing power of the team has accelerated to the point that they should be paid on par with players on the men's national team.


    The filing, citing figures from the USSF's 2015 financial report, says that despite the women's team generating nearly $20 million more revenue last year than the U.S. men's team, the women are paid almost four times less. However in 2015 the Women played in the Women's World Cup and the Men's did not participate in World Cup play. In 2014 The US Men generated 529 Million in sponsorship in comparison to the Womens 18 Million.
     
  3. ripskater

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    Are they as good as the men?
     
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    Oh and:

    http://www.thelocal.se/20130116/45646

    Swedish football ladies beaten by teen boys

    Sweden's women's national football team suffered a crushing defeat during a friendly in Stockholm on Tuesday, with the country's top female players finding themselves shutout by an undermanned local boys team.
     
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    Sounds like they are trying to strike while the iron is hot


    There is a sexist joke in there somewhere
     
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    They should play a friendly and have higher wages on the line, anyone who disagrees is a bigot.
     
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    For market principles, it shouldn't be about how good they are when it comes to getting paid, it should be how much money they generate.
     
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    Hey it not about skill its about revenue and profit. If the ladies are bringing more in, then they should get paid more.
     
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    Then the women have no case here
     
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    the article says they brought in 20 million more than the men last, year but got paid 4x less.

    what am i missing here?

    it should be a sliding scale based on what you produce.
     
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    You've got a point. Sounds like they'll get more next year.

    The other thing is will females always support women's soccer in the future? I have no idea. Men's teams usually have the long term dedicated fans.
     
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    Their argument compares a year where the US men didn't compete in a major tournament. The Women played in the World Cup and the Men played in the Regional Gold Cup. If they compared the Womens World Cup of last year to the Men's World Cup in 2014 then it's not even close. And Simply put, Men's soccer is bigger and generates more money than Women's soccer by a massive margin.
     
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    This is just for national teams - not the league teams. Males players get paid differently for that.
     
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    i still do not see the problem with sliding scale pay per year based on what each team generates. in 2015 women should've of made more based on revenue.

    Profit sharing system.
     
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    In the OP it sounded like the revenue spike was due to special circumstances and would not be sustained. Hence, my striking while the iron is hot comment.
     
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    It was probably a 2014 contract and they didn't know the profits would be so good.
     
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    Also, society in pursuit of pieties of race, class, and here we are, gender, society has become... stupid.
     
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    It's about creating a society where all people are equal, and some are more equal than others. History is repeating itself.
     
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    Because their revenue will go down in the next couple of years as the men's will skyrocket. If this was 2014 or even next season the womens team would have no argument to make. They are basically taking a down year in Men's soccer and the peak year of their competition and using it as a form to say they are being discriminated against when that simply isn't the case.

    The men are a significantly bigger draw on TV and attendance than the women, they are twisting the information in their favor to get more money and play the sexist card while they do it.
     
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    Are they "bringing it in" or are they winning it in tournaments, i.e. it has nothing to do with how many butts they put in seats but how many tourneys they win? For example, they won $2M for winning the World Cup.
     

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