Opinion Unpopular opinion - Nothing seperates Eastern from Western fighters apart from the mentality

[moosaev]

Caucasians combine top technique, top training and top mentality. Murrkans have good technique, good training but are too unstable emotionally.

The Caucus fighters just have a better system of fighting, thats all, not that complicated.

 

[LoveMyMMA]

Lol nobody trains harder than these Dagestani guys.

 

[azerty]

The Caucus fighters just have a better system of fighting, thats all, not that complicated.

that's why there is literraly zero champions from the caucus region in the UFC right now right? and the succesfull ones all go to the USA to train?

 

[Prelimtapper]

Just fucking say the Dagestini guys train harder, because they don't do anything else with their lives and are ultra-discipline with it. Everything else you said was basically wrong or had multiple exceptions. Overall, a shit take

 

[moosaev]

that's why there is literraly zero champions from the caucus region in the UFC right now right? and the succesfull ones all go to the USA to train?

That’s more a timing thing, Khabib retired and the others just haven’t gotten title shots yet. But almost every division has dominant fighters from the caucus that are poised to fight for a title eventually. Let’s revisit this in a year when islam, Khamzat, and maybe even Ankalaev all have belts lol.

 

[Brigfa]

It's like saying

Lol nobody trains harder than these Dagestani guys.

Most dagestanis are cans but most men in there trains mma so it's normal to have couple of good fighters, tiny dagestan has more fighters than some countries with 50+ million population. My country is 85 million but i'm rarely seeing people doing mma

 

[Yellowcrab]

and the succesfull ones all go to the USA to train?

Tbh, UFC is the USA, so it's easier to train in the USA.

 

[Yellowcrab]

That’s more a timing thing, Khabib retired and the others just haven’t gotten title shots yet. But every division has dominant fighters from the caucus that are poised to fight for a title. Let’s revisit this in a year when islam, Khamzat, and maybe even Ankalaev all have belts lol.

Not in every division : they don't have anyone in the HW division for instance.

Shamil Abdurakhimo (HW) is from Dagestan and not exceptional.

 

[moosaev]

Not in every division : they don't have anyone in the HW division for instance.

Shamil Abdurakhimo (HW) is from Dagestan and not exceptional.

Yeah not HW, but almost every other division.

 

[rstringer]

Lack of access to women breeds grapple heavy fighters .

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

The Caucus fighters just have a better system of fighting, thats all, not that complicated.

No it's a mentality / cultural thing, too.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Oh and fuck it I am going to say it. Their faith gives them a strength that non Muslims don't have.

 

[moosaev]

No it's a mentality / cultural thing, too.

The two go hand in hand, the system wouldn't be possible without the mentality/culture. Because the system is predicated on grappling from grade school, training like a savage every day, not drinking alcohol and partying, etc. But their cage dominance comes down to skill and technique more than "toughness".

 

[azerty]

Tbh, UFC is the USA, so it's easier to train in the USA.

easier and they also have top tier trainers in almost every aspect of the fight game, khabib by the end had money and still spent a lot of time at AKA, he obviously got soemthing out of it that he couldn't find in dagestan
so we'll see ,sure we'll have more and more top guys from there but i'm not sold on the great dagestanis domination to come...

 

[moosaev]

Oh and fuck it I am going to say it. Their faith gives them a strength that non Muslims don't have.

Studies indicate that people of strong religious faith (regardless of religion) are much more resilient than those without faith. Atheists like to pretend that religion has no practical utility so they always get butt hurt when this gets pointed out to them lol. But its true, religion provides an amazing reservoir of strength for many people.

 

[HHJ]

Dominance. That should always be the mindset. It really comes from wrestling. You dont just beat a guy you beat him like 200000 points to 0. Put that motherfucker in the negative. You already won,but score more points. His family is watching,make them cry.

Gotta get stupid ahead. Make em wish they were never born.

 

[MEAN357]

The last 8-12 years the American fighters are all so obsessed with striking, most of the fights are striking only.. and its like they have all forgotten grappling. Its become much more of a striking focused sport.. and UFC cut very good grapplers like Jared Rosholt who had a 8-2 record in UFC.. when UFC need all the HWs they can get this is absurd and not about who can win, but who can entertain. because they deem it boring and no one wants to see it.

The Russian guys have taken advantage of this because their grappling is superb and the American fighters just focus so much on striking now.. and with all the bro science trainers feeding them all that rabbits food and seeds, they are all weak, not physically strong. Whereas those Russian fighters don't have those bro scientists, they eat large meat and potato and hence will have good chins and are strong.

Master American grapplers like Dan Severn who never ever lost to a Russian in MMA or wrestling are long gone, the American fighters can't grapple much at all, just striking and slugging and point fighting.

Whoa, a Jared Rosholt sympathizer the fuck

 

[Yellowcrab]

Studies indicate that people of strong religious faith (regardless of religion) are much more resilient than those without faith. Atheists like to pretend that religion has no practical utility so they always get butt hurt when this gets pointed out to them lol. But its true, religion provides an amazing reservoir of strength for many people.

I would say muslim religion might be useful in fighting sports, admitting you don't do ramadan : alcohol is forbidden for instance.

Also Dagestan is a very religious country, so they tend to really fallow the rules and avoid distractions such as night clubs, women, etc.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Studies indicate that people of strong religious faith (regardless of religion) are much more resilient than those without faith. Atheists like to pretend that religion has no practical utility so they always get butt hurt when this gets pointed out to them lol. But its true, religion provides an amazing reservoir of strength for many people.

Yes I agree with that. But I think it is truer for Muslims than say Christians. Islam has a vigor that is doesn't exist in Christianity anymore. I think that Muslims have this inshallah mode that gives them a strength not available to non-Muslims.

 

[moosaev]

Yes I agree with that. But I think it is truer for Muslims than say Christians. Islam has a vigor that is doesn't exist in Christianity anymore. I think that Muslims have this inshallah mode that gives them a strength not available to non-Muslims.

Islam isn't wishy washy, there are direct answers for everything and the decree is pretty clear on what believers should do. God is in total command and Muslims largely still believe that sincerely. There's too much symbolism & allegory in christianity, much harder to tie into daily life.