Opinion Unpopular opinion - Nothing seperates Eastern from Western fighters apart from the mentality

[Whoa Nelly]

agree op
in boxing when a boxer hides behind his gloves and takes no damage the ref doesn't jump in and shout 'FIGHT BACK'.

wrestler key to victory, mount + spam ineffectual strikes until ref jumps in

 

[NuPakUSA]

DID YOU SEE WHO WAS THEIR MAIN COACH?

 

[textwarrior]

Being poor and hungry raises good fighters but add family to it then you have a perfect combo.

 

[808nEffect]

I think being raised in war torn 3rd world countries breeds fighters that have zero compassion, who would have thought it

This aren’t deathmatches, it’s a Mixed martial arts matchup televised to millions for entertainment

Fighters like Khabib, Islam, Armen etc, they don’t care about taking their opponent to the depths of despair. It’s like none of these guys ever go through this in training so they have no empathy towards it. I heard someone once say that to be a good champion you have to be the hammer and the nail, but these Eastern European fighters seemingly train as the nail all year round, there’s probably a few guys in the gym constantly pissing blood from all the beatings. It’s like a heavy front runner mentality. They don’t entertain a back and forth fight at all

From a spectacle stand point, dominance is impressive in itself. Khabib proved that you can be very successful on the back of dominant performances.

But fighters like Wonderboy, McGregor, Condit etc Those kind of guys are always gonna be beaten by wrestle heavy grapplers. And it boils down to what do you wanna see in an entertainment business. This isn’t a sport let’s just get that out the way, sports are regulated, mandatory title shots etc… but it boils down to whether you want style over substance

Personally I just want to see the best guys fight under the ruleset. But fighters who are showmen, they’re doing that for you, they’re literally handicapping themselves to be more entertaining.

I don’t think these grapple fuckers should be celebrated as much as they are, it’s to the detriment of the product (imo)

It’s called MMA for a reason. If you want to watch striking only, go watch boxing or Kickboxing.

 

[Bork Neslar]

And hygiene.

 

[Travis Alexander]

Two of the three fighters listed by TS(Khabib/Islam) moved to the US and joined a top tier American fight camp to hone their skills to the level they are at. They are coached by American Olympic wrestler and UFC champion Cormier as well as Mendez (American) and have been for MANY years. I genuinely feel like your letting your fanboyism muddy your deductive reasoning abilities TS. Also how many eastern euro champions do we have right now? Americans and Brazilians have dominated this sport for decades. This is just a new wave nothing we haven’t seen before. We have 3 African (at least bloodline wise) champs currently this isn’t to say that Africans dominate MMA more so then people from other backgrounds. There are so many more factors that are involved in creating a champion don’t use such a hollow recency based approach to viewing such complex situations.

 

[SuperAlly]

What a meandering mess of an OP that appears to make about 3 points (poorly) that are nothing to do with the title.

Also, you don't understand the hammer and nail analogy.

 

[SuperAlly]

Pictured: A very emotionally stable man.

Being emotionally stable doesn't mean no one can ever push you too far. Everyone has a point where they say enough is enough. Or you believe no one is emotionally stable.

 

[skylolow]

I don't think it so much as a mental thing but a fundamentals thing.

This rise of eastern Europe/Russia area of fighters is due to heavy wrestling and sambo back grounds they come from and it starts at very early age. This also produces excellent cardio for MMA. With that they been very good at mixing in the striking game enough to get respect on the feet.

Rest of the world is in love with striking and being well rounded. But many aren't an ace in anything nowadays. The one's that have aces in some aspect of MMA excel to highest level.

Both ways can be very effective.

 

[SuperAlly]

I guess Dannis whipping Khabibs head around cooled him off a bit. I wonder what he wanted to do after slapping Khabib around?

Weak sauce

 

[SuperAlly]

Im talking about the flurry of puches danis was landing on Kahbibs skull as Khabib proceeded to lower his head and extend and flail his arms at what looked like an attempt to defend himself, before being pulled apart, which Khabib seemd glad for as he walked away while Danis was still livid and trying to get to him. I also never saw Khabibs foot touch Dannis.

Even weaker sauce

 

[Sickbro69420]

I think being raised in war torn 3rd world countries breeds fighters that have zero compassion, who would have thought it

This aren’t deathmatches, it’s a Mixed martial arts matchup televised to millions for entertainment

Fighters like Khabib, Islam, Armen etc, they don’t care about taking their opponent to the depths of despair. It’s like none of these guys ever go through this in training so they have no empathy towards it. I heard someone once say that to be a good champion you have to be the hammer and the nail, but these Eastern European fighters seemingly train as the nail all year round, there’s probably a few guys in the gym constantly pissing blood from all the beatings. It’s like a heavy front runner mentality. They don’t entertain a back and forth fight at all

From a spectacle stand point, dominance is impressive in itself. Khabib proved that you can be very successful on the back of dominant performances.

But fighters like Wonderboy, McGregor, Condit etc Those kind of guys are always gonna be beaten by wrestle heavy grapplers. And it boils down to what do you wanna see in an entertainment business. This isn’t a sport let’s just get that out the way, sports are regulated, mandatory title shots etc… but it boils down to whether you want style over substance

Personally I just want to see the best guys fight under the ruleset. But fighters who are showmen, they’re doing that for you, they’re literally handicapping themselves to be more entertaining.

I don’t think these grapple fuckers should be celebrated as much as they are, it’s to the detriment of the product (imo)

State your thesis, reasons why for your argument, examples and wrap it up homie.
Not only do I think you don't understand fighting or how it works, I don't think you've ever heard about social determinants of health or understand how the body works and how skill sets work. It would of been best to not say anything at all.

 

[what-wut]

The US just had one of their best years in Olympic wrestling ever, I think theres more to it than even just what Youre mention, though I do agree. I think MMA becoming more striking focused with an emphasis on takedown defense, stalling from bottom as submission defense and wall walking while in conjunction the UFC has been fairly avoidant of signing high level wrestlers in the US and such.

I think this has been a trend over the last decade or so, a downtick in dominant grapplers and people being used to staving off the few that still remain with an utter lack of focus on mat grappling or offensive wrestling of their own. Now you have these guys like Khamzat, Khabib, Islam and others come through who are not just incredibly focused and disciplined but talented, dominant wrestlers with well rounded grappling and good all around games that wont be denied. They are exploiting the modern era and I love it.

love what? it's a boring as fuck style. completely uninteresting watching a guy so desperate to avoid the striking and when he gets a single body lock the other fighter has no clue what to do. we've seen the same fight thousand times.

 

[Kono dio da!]

I think being raised in war torn 3rd world countries breeds fighters that have zero compassion, who would have thought it

This aren’t deathmatches, it’s a Mixed martial arts matchup televised to millions for entertainment

Fighters like Khabib, Islam, Armen etc, they don’t care about taking their opponent to the depths of despair. It’s like none of these guys ever go through this in training so they have no empathy towards it. I heard someone once say that to be a good champion you have to be the hammer and the nail, but these Eastern European fighters seemingly train as the nail all year round, there’s probably a few guys in the gym constantly pissing blood from all the beatings. It’s like a heavy front runner mentality. They don’t entertain a back and forth fight at all

From a spectacle stand point, dominance is impressive in itself. Khabib proved that you can be very successful on the back of dominant performances.

But fighters like Wonderboy, McGregor, Condit etc Those kind of guys are always gonna be beaten by wrestle heavy grapplers. And it boils down to what do you wanna see in an entertainment business. This isn’t a sport let’s just get that out the way, sports are regulated, mandatory title shots etc… but it boils down to whether you want style over substance

Personally I just want to see the best guys fight under the ruleset. But fighters who are showmen, they’re doing that for you, they’re literally handicapping themselves to be more entertaining.

I don’t think these grapple fuckers should be celebrated as much as they are, it’s to the detriment of the product (imo)

Colby has no compassion. Still not as good as Islam. Similar mindsets.

 

[Humongo]

Well, I bet in Ukraine people are not worried about if they are adressed by the correct pronoun, that's for sure.

 

[calexus]

Yeah the compassion thing is all a bit silly, Western fighters are just as vicious, and i’m sorry but the fighters are never feeling compassion during the fight.

Definitely the culture round there helps like for Khabib, his whole life is intertwined with wrestling/fighting, rather than it being only a specific part of someone’s life. You can’t imagine anyone in the west doing it the way they do there. Khabib technique on another level with the time and dedication gone into it.

You are absolutely right about people who put themselves first in training are having more success, like Khabib, like McGregor pre-boxing. Just don’t listen to trash who say you have to in principle be the nail because the are telling you they have no interest in you succeeding (in particular in a way that is of no benefit to them). Best job is fighters running the roost and building the team themselves with people who know and are happy with their role.

I disagree grapplers are inherently superior, we just don’t know enough yet. Every now and the fighters are coming with advanced technique from intense levels of dedication like McGregor. Unfortunately maintaining this level is a constant battle, it is NOT like riding a bike. Part of McGregor’s style involved a lordotic posture that was very difficult to take down, unfortunately he was already a shadow by the Khabib fight, else I believe he could have won. McGregor was incredibly entertaining and there was a link between this entertainment and the destruction of the opponents. So is the greatest fighter the most entertaining? You say no, I say Yes. This is part of my philosophy, it could be false, but it’s a notion very strong with me.

 

[krelianx]

Incredibly stupid thread.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Yea Jon Jones and GSP really grew up tough lol , OP is dumb.

Also pretty boy nice guy Andre ward made "brutally tough Russian savage" Sergey Kovalev quit and put an ass beating on him

 

[bartleby929]

I think being raised in war torn 3rd world countries breeds fighters that have zero compassion, who would have thought it

This aren’t deathmatches, it’s a Mixed martial arts matchup televised to millions for entertainment

Fighters like Khabib, Islam, Armen etc, they don’t care about taking their opponent to the depths of despair. It’s like none of these guys ever go through this in training so they have no empathy towards it. I heard someone once say that to be a good champion you have to be the hammer and the nail, but these Eastern European fighters seemingly train as the nail all year round, there’s probably a few guys in the gym constantly pissing blood from all the beatings. It’s like a heavy front runner mentality. They don’t entertain a back and forth fight at all

From a spectacle stand point, dominance is impressive in itself. Khabib proved that you can be very successful on the back of dominant performances.

But fighters like Wonderboy, McGregor, Condit etc Those kind of guys are always gonna be beaten by wrestle heavy grapplers. And it boils down to what do you wanna see in an entertainment business. This isn’t a sport let’s just get that out the way, sports are regulated, mandatory title shots etc… but it boils down to whether you want style over substance

Personally I just want to see the best guys fight under the ruleset. But fighters who are showmen, they’re doing that for you, they’re literally handicapping themselves to be more entertaining.

I don’t think these grapple fuckers should be celebrated as much as they are, it’s to the detriment of the product (imo)

Stopped reading after "I think"

 

[HeDidn'tWantTheFight]

Lol Eastern Europe is no where near easy times and never will be

Idk about that. Who knows what will come of this whole Ukraine situation, but countries like Poland and Hungary seem to be turning a leaf after decades of misery.