PBP UFC Abu Dhabi Whittaker vs. De Ridder Official PBP Discussion: Sat 7/26 at 12pm ET

[Langinbang187]

Those shots were just as a significant as anything Rob threw in the 5th. RDR landed 73 total strikes to Robs 11 total. RDR landed 9 sig to Robs 11.

Rob lost man. RDR won every criteria in the 5th. Who cares if RDR spun around a few times. Rob was throwing single shots and got walked down.

No shame in that loss. Rob looked good but those bodyshots were hurting him and he couldn't keep up the volume.

Except they objectively were not, hence why those baby clinch strikes are not considered significant strikes, your stance directly contradicts the data we have.

You post data that showcases exactly what I stated -- Rob landed the more effective strikes in the 5th round...and then proceed to follow that up by objectively incorrectly stating that RDR won "by every criteria in the 5th"

Make it make sense.

I also strongly disagree that Rob looked good, he looked like a shot old man against a mediocre opponent...that was a putrid main event.

 

[markg171]

Rob took the first and the 3rd by dropping RDR.
RDR took the 2,4th and 5th by landing more, landing harder with bodywork and beating Whittaker in all other criteria scored within MMA.
5th in particular as the decider has RDR landing at a 9/73 sig/total to Robs 11/11... How you going to argue the 5th for Rob? He got majorly outworked outside of some jabs. 2/4 RDR landed double what Rob did nearly on sig striukes alone. So where is Rob's 3rd round?

Only person ignoring the criteria is markg171.

Stats | UFC

RDR landed more.

Okay compubox

 

[Ashen One]

Don't let your dreams be dreams! We believe in you.

You're literally telling someone to off themself

 

[Tweak896]

You'll notice I specifically stated significant strikes, I don't put weight into foot stomps, strikes that do zero damage against the fence.

The 11 significant strikes did more damage than anything RDR mustered up in the round, they had more pop behind them. I think the issue here is that you're under the assumption my argument is that Rob did significant damage -- It isn't, my argument is that Rob landed the significantly cleaner, more crisp strikes relative to his opponent who landed nothing of even remote substance in the round.

Rob's jab was more significant than any offense an exhausted RDR managed to produce, I don't score lay n pray as highly as clean, effective striking.

You mean the 2 significant strikes he landed more was worth more than the 60 little pot shots while controlling him for almost half the round on the fence? Cmon that is crazy. I don't like it when guys just hold and stall, but if they scored like you, holding and taking those pot shots are completely equal. So you're essentially encouraging guys to just hold and not strike a little bit.

I mean if you said 15 little pot shots = 1 significant strike, RDR still wins. Whittaker could've landed little strikes while being tied up to equalize it, but he froze and looked exhausted. Essentially you're saying RDR could've held for 4 min 30 seconds and did his pot shots and Whittaker should win for the moment of separation only.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

You'll notice I specifically stated significant strikes, I don't put weight into foot stomps, strikes that do zero damage against the fence.

The 11 significant strikes did more damage than anything RDR mustered up in the round, they had more pop behind them. I think the issue here is that you're under the assumption my argument is that Rob did significant damage -- It isn't, my argument is that Rob landed the significantly cleaner, more crisp strikes relative to his opponent who landed nothing of even remote substance in the round.

Rob's jab was more significant than any offense an exhausted RDR managed to produce, I don't score lay n pray as highly as clean, effective striking.

Its hilarious people continue to reward fight avoidance. Getting tagged on the feet? Can't get a takedown? Don't want to do anything in the clinch? No problem, just eat a few jabs on your way to press your opponent up against the cage and hang on while the time ticks down! You are winning!

 

[vinnie245]

Decent card overall, could of used more finishes but we had some good fights that went to decision anyhow (Main event, Shara/Barriault) and only a couple duds on the prelims
6/10.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

You're literally telling someone to off themself

You were threatening to off yourself because people don't agree with you and then called someone else an edgy teenager. Is suicide your trump card, cuz it's not a great one.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

@SalvadorAllende Watch closely...that's what is about to happen to you....i will RDR you to the ground.

you forgot to add #nohomo

 

[Ashen One]

You were threatening to off yourself because people don't agree with you and then called someone else an edgy teenager. Is suicide your trump card, cuz it's not a great one.

I guess sarcasm isn't in your deck at all.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

I guess sarcsam isn't in your deck at all.

I'm just out here trying to lift up my Sherbros. I'm with you till the end.

 

[Siver!]

I guess sarcasm isn't in your deck at all.

To be fair, you can't open with blatant sarcasm then expect only literal responses.

Seems pretty obvious he was being sarcastic in reply.

Anyway.

Good night of fights!

 

[Ashen One]

I'm just out here trying to lift up my Sherbros. I'm with you till the end.

To be fair, you can't open with blatant sarcasm then expect only literal responses.

Seems pretty obvious he was being sarcastic in reply.

Anyway.

Good night of fights!

You two are adorable

 

[Langinbang187]

You mean the 2 significant strikes he landed more was worth more than the 60 little pot shots while controlling him for almost half the round on the fence? Cmon that is crazy. I don't like it when guys just hold and stall, but if they scored like you, holding and taking those pot shots are completely equal. So you're essentially encouraging guys to just hold and not strike a little bit.

I mean if you said 15 little pot shots = 1 significant strike, RDR still wins. Whittaker could've landed little strikes while being tied up to equalize it, but he froze and looked exhausted. Essentially you're saying RDR could've held for 4 min 30 seconds and did his pot shots and Whittaker should win for the moment of separation only.

I would go as far as to say just two of those jabs would be enough to be more effective in that round than RDR failing miserably at takedowns, getting zapped at range and proceeding to avoid fighting by 'controlling" as you like to call it, I call it surviving until the belt as he was completely and totally exhausted and clearly being out struck on the feet by the superior striker.

No, I don't score 2 inch slaps the same as significant strikes, they don't accumulate any damage and the last time I checked in a round that had zero wrestling damage is the criteria for scoring what is supposed to be a fist fight.

If I slap your leg 50 times and you crush my skull in with an elbow and drop me and make me do the stanky leg, do I still win the round? Quite frankly I can't even pinpoint to you a single crisp significant strike RDR landed in round 5, I can point to Rob landing several right on the nose of RDR that backed him up immediately and sent him doing ballerina spins.

In a round where your opponent cannot execute significant damage, you don't need to contribute a significant amount of damage of your own in order to outweigh what was essentially non-existent.

 

[maximus__]

RDR landed more.

Okay compubox

Yes and harder in the 5th. Rob landed some good jabs and spent most of the time defending on the cage.

How about actually providing some argument for why he won, but you won't because you can't justify it.

 

[don't ask]

There is an unfortunately massive amount of evidence missing to even begin to make the case the organization is fixed (as that would be exactly what an equal amount of maliciousness and incompetence would entail), but I'm all ears for the conversation.

Well, no. I'm saying that we should never dismiss wrongdoing as incompetence when maliciousness is just as prevalent in the world we live in (especially when it comes to money). That doesn't mean we assume it's maliciousness, but no one should be operating on the assumption that it's not maliciousness. I'm not taking a side in this discussion about RDR and Whitaker, I'm saying that Hanlon's razor needs to be retired because it's simply a tool to excuse maliciousness in 2025.

However, when it comes to the UFC, I think everyone should consider the O'Malley vs Sterling match to be fight rigging. That was the most overt and appalling bit of malicious machinations I've seen in MMA an it certainly meets my standard of fixing a fight.

 

[maximus__]

Except they objectively were not, hence why those baby clinch strikes are not considered significant strikes, your stance directly contradicts the data we have.

You post data that showcases exactly what I stated -- Rob landed the more effective strikes in the 5th round...and then proceed to follow that up by objectively incorrectly stating that RDR won "by every criteria in the 5th"

Make it make sense.

I also strongly disagree that Rob looked good, he looked like a shot old man against a mediocre opponent...that was a putrid main event.

Rob landed 11 strikes for a total of 11.
RDR landed 9 sig strikes for a total of 73 strikes.
The majority of Robs strikes were jabs in that 5th round. Those jabs weren't enough to stop RDR working into the clinch.
Your argument relies on Robs 2 extra sig strikes outweighing all else.

As per the scoring criteria RDR wins on via the striking alone. He landed near equal sig strikes, 7x the total strikes and those strikes alloowed him to keep rob against the cage. He wins all criteria under scoring for striking in MMA.

IF we were to say somehow that that criteria is even then we move to scoring the grappling. RDR clearly won that aspect.
RDR took 3 rounds to Rob's 2. There is no real argument in the 5th for Rob. He got outworked.

 

[Langinbang187]

Rob landed 11 strikes for a total of 11.
RDR landed 9 sig strikes for a total of 73 strikes.
The majority of Robs strikes were jabs in that 5th round. Those jabs weren't enough to stop RDR working into the clinch.
Your argument relies on Robs 2 extra sig strikes outweighing all else.

As per the scoring criteria RDR wins on via the striking alone. He landed near equal sig strikes, 7x the total strikes and those strikes alloowed him to keep rob against the cage. He wins all criteria under scoring for striking in MMA.

IF we were to say somehow that that criteria is even then we move to scoring the grappling. RDR clearly won that aspect.
RDR took 3 rounds to Rob's 2. There is no real argument in the 5th for Rob. He got outworked.

My argument relies on the scoring criteria, that objectively scores damage at the highest criteria.

Your argument relies upon 2 inch slaps in the clinch that accumulate zero damage combined with hanging on to survive.

Is your argument actually genuinely that RDR was the more effective striker in round 5? If so I really don't know what to tell you, there's a reason the man was desperately shooting and looking to lock up against the fence, it's because Rob was landing a crisp jab at will, no, RDR was not the more effective striker in that round and his 2 inch clinch slaps do not erase anything.

We aren't stating the striking is equal, it wasn't, Rob is the only guy landing anything of remote significance in striking range in the 5th, RDR looked as if he was about to fall over any time he tried to throw a looping mess.

Answer my question -- If you hit me with 50 2 inch slaps and foot stomps in the clinch and I proceed to make you do the chicken dance with a single overhand right, who gets the best of the exchange? It's a silly argument, not even the judges who scored the fight for RDR scored it on the basis of his striking, you're just being absolutely silly with this.

 

[Tweak896]

I would go as far as to say just two of those jabs would be enough to be more effective in that round than RDR failing miserably at takedowns, getting zapped at range and proceeding to avoid fighting by 'controlling" as you like to call it, I call it surviving until the belt as he was completely and totally exhausted and clearly being out struck on the feet by the superior striker.

No, I don't score 2 inch slaps the same as significant strikes, they don't accumulate any damage and the last time I checked in a round that had zero wrestling damage is the criteria for scoring what is supposed to be a fist fight.

If I slap your leg 50 times and you crush my skull in with an elbow and drop me and make me do the stanky leg, do I still win the round? Quite frankly I can't even pinpoint to you a single crisp significant strike RDR landed in round 5, I can point to Rob landing several right on the nose of RDR that backed him up immediately and sent him doing ballerina spins.

In a round where your opponent cannot execute significant damage, you don't need to contribute a significant amount of damage of your own in order to outweigh what was essentially non-existent.

My opinion was that they both were gassed and Whittaker had nothing on his punches when we're talking about damage. Going by volume you give to RDR. But at this point we'll have to agree to disagree with the scoring. We'll just chuck this in the pile of Whittaker decisions nobody can agree with.

 

[Versez]

you forgot to add #nohomo

I would make you my toy....i would smash you right and left brother.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

You mean the 2 significant strikes he landed more was worth more than the 60 little pot shots while controlling him for almost half the round on the fence? Cmon that is crazy. I don't like it when guys just hold and stall, but if they scored like you, holding and taking those pot shots are completely equal. So you're essentially encouraging guys to just hold and not strike a little bit.

I mean if you said 15 little pot shots = 1 significant strike, RDR still wins. Whittaker could've landed little strikes while being tied up to equalize it, but he froze and looked exhausted. Essentially you're saying RDR could've held for 4 min 30 seconds and did his pot shots and Whittaker should win for the moment of separation only.

It's also 9-3 in significant head shots definitely a closer round to maybe throw Rob.

I'm still shocked that people including Bell (although not really since he gave grasso a 10-8) round four because RDR legitimately won every criteria there. Rob didn't even attempt a 2 punch combo in 5 minutes.