PBP UFC Abu Dhabi Whittaker vs. De Ridder Official PBP Discussion: Sat 7/26 at 12pm ET

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

I agree. I didn’t score it but draw would’ve been cool with me

Our lovely @helax is no Cecil Peoples, thats for sure @Luthien @BroRogan @BFoe

Judge 1: 48-47 Ridder
Judge 2: 48-47 Whittaker
Judge Cecil Peoples: 91-16 Ridder

 

[Tweak896]

He landed the better shots, RDR did nothing but hang on against the fence and try to survive.

The knees were a joke, there was nothing left on them, Rob was the only one who landed anything of even remote significance in the 5th, and RDR wasn't even really outworking him, I think Rob landed more significant strikes and RDR even struggles to back him up.

Whittaker is washed, RDR is simply not very good..we need to stop rewarding guys avoiding fighting who are out landed at the end of the day either way.

I mean I acknowledged that Whittaker landed clean, but those shots didn't have much on them. RDR's standup is pretty garbage, but Whittaker looked helpless multiple times throughout that fight. Again, if Whittaker had the power on the shots in rounds 1 and 3, then we wouldn't be debating this. RDR landed more and controlled him, Whittaker didn't do much damage in the last rounds. In the play by play I had it as a toss up, so did the judges. There is no robbery it was close. I'm just saying anyone describing a blowout either side is full of it.

 

[maximus__]

The knees were not landing in the 5th round, rounds are scored on a round top round basis.

There was zero significanct offense coming from RDR in round 5, his power was completely and totally zapped and he was just holding on to survive while Rob did manage to land a few flush shots.

He landed 6 in the last round...Whittaker landed 11 total strikes in that round whilst spending the 5th getting pummelled against the cage.
I am Australian. I wnted Rob to get the nod, but the fight was a clear 3-2 for RDR. Rob gets the 3rd for dropping him and the 1st at best.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

I mean I acknowledged that Whittaker landed clean, but those shots didn't have much on them. RDR's standup is pretty garbage, but Whittaker looked helpless multiple times throughout that fight. Again, if Whittaker had the power on the shots in rounds 1 and 3, then we wouldn't be debating this. RDR landed more and controlled him, Whittaker didn't do much damage in the last rounds. In the play by play I had it as a toss up, so did the judges. There is no robbery it was close. I'm just saying anyone describing a blowout either side is full of it.

Agreed.

 

[Ashen One]

Did you miss the brutal knees and the two times RDR wobbled Rob on the feet. Rob had a knockdown and near finish, but the rest of those moments was all RDR.

Don't know about brutal lol

I'll admit Bobby Knuckles lost but cmon. Your post is borderline comedic

 

[jban]

There’s no way in hell Rob could make 170 ever again

If he wanted to Rob could drop down to WW. Rob himself said he is not a big Middleweight, and one of the shortest at 5 foot 11 (inflated to 6 feet). Obviously, he would have to shed some weight and some muscle. If a giant like Pereira can make 185, Rob could make 170 if he had the commitment and desire to. I am not sure he has the desire to at this stage of his career.

 

[Langinbang187]

I mean I acknowledged that Whittaker landed clean, but those shots didn't have much on them. RDR's standup is pretty garbage, but Whittaker looked helpless multiple times throughout that fight. Again, if Whittaker had the power on the shots in rounds 1 and 3, then we wouldn't be debating this. RDR landed more and controlled him, Whittaker didn't do much damage in the last rounds. In the play by play I had it as a toss up, so did the judges. There is no robbery it was close. I'm just saying anyone describing a blowout either side is full of it.

They had enough on them to make RDR spin around like a fool multiple times, and those jabs still certainly had some pop.

RDR didn't outland Whittaker in regards to significant strikes in round 5, he was out landed. Those shots may not have had as much pep as earlier in the fight, but they certainly had more than RDR's rubber arms lol...dude accomplished zero damage in round 5 and shouldn't have won the round.

I'm not saying its a robbery, I just feel round 5 was pretty clear, I don't care enough about what was a pretty painfully bad main event in terms of quality quite frankly, I worry more about future fights.

 

[maximus__]

Don't know about brutal lol

I'll admit Bobby Knuckles lost but cmon. Your post is borderline comedic

Dude. Rob will be the first one to tell you those hurt. He nearly folded him multiple times with those knees.
All credit to Rob he is a monster and fought through multiple fight ending knees early in that fight.

Rewatch it. After those exchanges his hands are lower, he is trying to recover and he is creating space to survive.
There were 4x times where he was nearly dropped from a bodyshot in that fight, but he is too tough to go down.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Had this same exact thought

Because we’re both highly intelligent top 1% sherbrothers

 

[Langinbang187]

He landed 6 in the last round...Whittaker landed 11 total strikes in that round whilst spending the 5th getting pummelled against the cage.
I am Australian. I wnted Rob to get the nod, but the fight was a clear 3-2 for RDR. Rob gets the 3rd for dropping him and the 1st at best.

And they had absolutely nothing on them, the damaging knees you're referencing transpired long before the 5th round when RDR looked like a walking rubber band, spinning all around the octagon half dead and getting zapped with a stiff jab.

I don't care if you're from Mars, if you objectively believe anyone was getting "pummelled against the cage" in that slopfest of a 5th round there isn't much to discuss.

 

[maximus__]

They had enough on them to make RDR spin around like a fool multiple times, and those jabs still certainly had some pop.

RDR didn't outland Whittaker in regards to significant strikes in round 5, he was out landed. Those shots may not have had as much pep as earlier in the fight, but they certainly had more than RDR's rubber arms lol...dude accomplished zero damage in round 5 and shouldn't have won the round.

I'm not saying its a robbery, I just feel round 5 was pretty clear, I don't care enough about what was a pretty painfully bad main event in terms of quality quite frankly, I worry more about future fights.

Rob landed 11 sig strikes to RDRs 9... it's 2 sig strikes in a round. RDR landed 73 total as a heads up. All of Rob's strikes were credited as a sig strike...

 

[Ashen One]

Dude. Rob will be the first one to tell you those hurt. He nearly folded him multiple times with those knees.
All credit to Rob he is a monster and fought through multiple fight ending knees early in that fight.

Rewatch it. After those exchanges his hands are lower, he is trying to recover and he is creating space to survive.
There were 4x times where he was nearly dropped from a bodyshot in that fight, but he is too tough to go down.

Of course they hurt you dumb cunt. These are professional fighters FFS some of you make me want to uninstall my life.

 

[Langinbang187]

Rob landed 11 sig strikes to RDRs 9... it's 2 sig strikes in a round. RDR landed 73 total as a heads up. All of Rob's strikes were credited as a sig strike...

So the guy who was "brutally pummelled against the fence" landed more significant strikes in the round?

Shocking, almost like you blatantly just made something up that the data, anyone with two working eyes without bias doesn't support.

 

[markg171]

Landed more strikes than Whittaker, hurt him repeatedly with bodyshots, controlled him against the cage and after getting dropped arguably came back and won that round.

Okay Derick Cleary

 

[Tweak896]

They had enough on them to make RDR spin around like a fool multiple times, and those jabs still certainly had some pop.

RDR didn't outland Whittaker in regards to significant strikes in round 5, he was out landed. Those shots may not have had as much pep as earlier in the fight, but they certainly had more than RDR's rubber arms lol...dude accomplished zero damage in round 5 and shouldn't have won the round.

I'm not saying its a robbery, I just feel round 5 was pretty clear, I don't care enough about what was a pretty painfully bad main event in terms of quality quite frankly, I worry more about future fights.

He outlanded 73 to 11 in the 5th round. Okay so I'm talking about those stupid little strikes in clinch, but they count for something. Even without those, they are 2 significant strikes apart and RDR has 2:15 control time. I did not see where those 11 strikes did damage or have RDR in danger. They were both gassed out, but again stats back up why I am thinking RDR took the 5th. Clearly when they were separated, RDR kept getting jabbed and couldn't do much. But everything else was all RDR. Why is it that crazy that the control time + small strikes closed the gap in how judges scored the 5th?

 

[maximus__]

And they had absolutely nothing on them, the damaging knees you're referencing transpired long before the 5th round when RDR looked like a walking rubber band, spinning all around the octagon half dead and getting zapped with a stiff jab.

I don't care if you're from Mars, if you objectively believe anyone was getting "pummelled against the cage" in that slopfest of a 5th round there isn't much to discuss.

Those shots were just as a significant as anything Rob threw in the 5th. RDR landed 73 total strikes to Robs 11 total. RDR landed 9 sig to Robs 11.

Rob lost man. RDR won every criteria in the 5th. Who cares if RDR spun around a few times. Rob was throwing single shots and got walked down.

No shame in that loss. Rob looked good but those bodyshots were hurting him and he couldn't keep up the volume.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

Of course they hurt you dumb cunt. These are professional fighters FFS some of you make me want to uninstall my life.

Oh well, don't let others hold you back from achieving your dreams!

 

[maximus__]

Okay Derick Cleary

Rob took the first and the 3rd by dropping RDR.
RDR took the 2,4th and 5th by landing more, landing harder with bodywork and beating Whittaker in all other criteria scored within MMA.
5th in particular as the decider has RDR landing at a 9/73 sig/total to Robs 11/11... How you going to argue the 5th for Rob? He got majorly outworked outside of some jabs. 2/4 RDR landed double what Rob did nearly on sig striukes alone. So where is Rob's 3rd round?

Only person ignoring the criteria is markg171.

Stats | UFC

 

[Langinbang187]

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He outlanded 73 to 11 in the 5th round. Okay so I'm talking about those stupid little strikes in clinch, but they count for something. Even without those, they are 2 significant strikes apart and RDR has 2:15 control time. I did not see where those 11 strikes did damage or have RDR in danger. They were both gassed out, but again stats back up why I am thinking RDR took the 5th. Clearly when they were separated, RDR kept getting jabbed and couldn't do much. But everything else was all RDR. Why is it that crazy that the control time + small strikes closed the gap in how judges scored the 5th?

You'll notice I specifically stated significant strikes, I don't put weight into foot stomps, strikes that do zero damage against the fence.

The 11 significant strikes did more damage than anything RDR mustered up in the round, they had more pop behind them. I think the issue here is that you're under the assumption my argument is that Rob did significant damage -- It isn't, my argument is that Rob landed the significantly cleaner, more crisp strikes relative to his opponent who landed nothing of even remote substance in the round.

Rob's jab was more significant than any offense an exhausted RDR managed to produce, I don't score lay n pray as highly as clean, effective striking.

 

[Ashen One]

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