UFC 268: Usman vs. Covington 2

Again...wondering how all of a sudden because Khabib got him down easily and smoked him that there's this belief that Justin can't stuff a takedown? I'm straight going off memory here, but I honestly cannot remember ANYONE in the UFC taking Justin down prior to Khabib. Maybe Eddie Alvarez did once? Maybe? If he did, he did nothing with it, that fight was almost entirely standing (and an awesome fight). Aside from that it's only been Khabib.

The problem is he never fought an even somewhat good wrestler until Khabib, and usually Khabib has to chain TD attempts together to get you down.

Against Gaethje he just made it look so easy. There was almost 0 resistance. I know khabib is on a different level than Chandler, but the fact that he got his TDs with such ease, and how lost Justin looked isn't a good sign.

Chandler isn't going to pass to mount and finish him, but he can win rounds and tire out Justin with his wrestling.

And I recall his fight against Primus being primarily grappling. He just sat in full guard the entirety of the fight. I may be misremembering it since it was a while ago, though.
 
I probably need to go back and watch some earlier Chandler fights in Bellator, but from what I remember he takes a ton of chances with his top position (Ie he trades control for trying to inflict damage--which is okay when you do land bombs but also allows guys to get up more easily).

Melancon? I don't remember that fight...in the UFC? Or WSOF? The only pro fight I remember Justin being controlled on the mat was his last one vs Khabib. I think I've seen most of them if not all too, I don't remember him fighting Melancon.
Had a brain fart, I meant Brian Cobb:


The best moment he had on the mat in the first was that initial reversal, which I credit to his wrestling instincts. Once he gave Cobb another takedown he was mostly helpless.

The real question will be if Chandler can get him down now that Justin doesn't take those kinds of risks. If he can, then it'll be a wrap imo.
 
The problem is he never fought an even somewhat good wrestler until Khabib, and usually Khabib has to chain TD attempts together to get you down.

Against Gaethje he just made it look so easy. There was almost 0 resistance. I know khabib is on a different level than Chandler, but the fact that he got his TDs with such ease, and how lost Justin looked isn't a good sign.

Chandler isn't going to pass to mount and finish him, but he can win rounds and tire out Justin with his wrestling.

And I recall his fight against Primus being primarily grappling. He just sat in full guard the entirety of the fight. I may be misremembering it since it was a while ago, though.

Okay...you guys are confusing the hell out me now LOL. Gaethje vs Primus? This thread is brand new and already someone mentioned Justin vs Melancon as a fight where Justin was outgrappled...and now Justin vs Brent Primus? To my knowledge, he's never fought EITHER of those guys...??? Unless my memory is just utterly failing me...which I guess is possible haha.

If you watch Justin vs Khabib, Justin was beaten before it started. He backed up, got pushed against the cage, and from there Khabib just does what he does. I don't think Chandler will be in Justin's head like Khabib was. Justin was petrified of of the grappling so much that he did exactly the opposite of what he should have.
 
Had a brain fart, I meant Brian Cobb:


The best moment he had on the mat in the first was that initial reversal, which I credit to his wrestling instincts. Once he gave Cobb another takedown he was mostly helpless.

The real question will be if Chandler can get him down now that Justin doesn't take those kinds of risks. If he can, then it'll be a wrap imo.


Ahh okay. I do faintly remember this fight, but it's been years since I saw it. And yeah that's 8 years ago and Justin is way more measured now.

There's also the fact that Chandler likes to stand and bang. He **might** try to implement a wrestling gameplan, but it's equally as likely (if not more so) that he just decides to swing for the fences and have a banger.
 
Okay...you guys are confusing the hell out me now LOL. Gaethje vs Primus? This thread is brand new and already someone mentioned Justin vs Melancon as a fight where Justin was outgrappled...and now Justin vs Brent Primus? To my knowledge, he's never fought EITHER of those guys...??? Unless my memory is just utterly failing me...which I guess is possible haha.

If you watch Justin vs Khabib, Justin was beaten before it started. He backed up, got pushed against the cage, and from there Khabib just does what he does. I don't think Chandler will be in Justin's head like Khabib was. Justin was petrified of of the grappling so much that he did exactly the opposite of what he should have.
He meant Chandler vs Primus, I think. Only skimmed his post.

The second Primus fight was pretty much Chandler outgrappling him with ease. Did the same to Yamauchi, subbed Held, got top position against Charles, etc. Michael's ground game is pretty legit.
 
Ahh okay. I do faintly remember this fight, but it's been years since I saw it. And yeah that's 8 years ago and Justin is way more measured now.

There's also the fact that Chandler likes to stand and bang. He **might** try to implement a wrestling gameplan, but it's equally as likely (if not more so) that he just decides to swing for the fences and have a banger.
Yeah, that's really my big worry since the Oliveira fight showed the worst part of Chandler's striking. It's very limited, relies on explosions and he tries to force things. Part of being a short LW, I suppose.
 
UFC 268, 14 fights scheduled as of Sunday

Location: Madison Square Garden, New York City

Early prelims: 6:00 PM eastern
Prelims: 8:00 PM eastern
Main card: 10:00 PM eastern

Colby Covington:

"The biggest mistake was keeping my hands down, taking a lot of unanswered shots, and just no head movement. Now I’m working with coach Cesar and we’re working real hard on our head movement and our timing. I didn’t have those things before.”

“I didn’t know how to move my head and I did not know how to have the right timing. So now we have put all these pieces together, you know the puzzles solved and November 6 we gotta show that in front of the world.”

Covington revealed his disgust at the odds and branded those responsible for them as “losers.”

“Absolutely. And I know I am the underdog. The oddsmakers, they’re fools, too. They’re all losers. These guys have never worked hard in their life. They don’t know what it’s like to go earn something, so they want to peg him as a 2 to 1 favorite (-225, 69.2%), it’s a joke, man. It’s a mockery of the sport.”

Covington went on to suggest that Usman’s victories over “little lightweights” were not impressive. The 33-year-old added that the champ is following his path, something the oddsmakers will apparently see when the two 170-pound stars go toe-to-toe inside the Octagon again.

“But they don’t know the sport. They’re watching him beat these little lightweights, these little guys that he’s supposed to beat, these guys that I’ve already beaten years ago, he’s following in my footsteps. If I make a sandwich, he’s gonna make the sandwich the same way. And they think he’s a god now. ‘He’s the pound-for-pound #1, he’s knocking people out,’ blah, blah, blah. OK, we’ll see.”


-Colby Covington

Kamaru Usman:

“He’s definitely up there,” Usman said. “I’m no hater, I give props where props are due. I think Colby probably is, I would put him in the top-15 welterweights of all time, as far as fighter-wise and skill-wise, the way that he fights. You may not like him personally, which I really don’t, but as far as skill-wise, he’s a good fighter. A very, very good fighter.”

In the time since the competitors last met, Covington has fought just once, claiming a fifth-round stoppage of his own over former welterweight titleholder Tyron Woodley. As for Usman, he has gone on to stake his claim as one of the pound-for-pound best currently fighting, taking victories over Gilbert Burns and Jorge Masvidal (twice). Regardless of what both men have gone through since their first meeting, Usman expects their rematch to be more of the same.

“I think we were both content with understanding that was a Mano a Mano, we needed to duke it out, we needed to go back in the day and just throw fisticuffs and see who got the better of the other,” Usman said. “I told him, I said I would punish him for four and a half rounds and I would finish him and that’s exactly what I did. I think in this next fight he’s gonna try to be a little more strategic but he’s going to quickly realize that’s not gonna work so you’re just stuck in there getting beat up.”

“It doesn’t matter. Finish or not, the way I fight I want to dominate a guy from start to finish,” Usman said. “I want to out-class a guy. I want a guy to go home, when they lay down in bed at night they’re like, ‘S–t, that guy’s better than me. There was nothing I can do to beat him.’ That’s what I want. That’s the feeling that I want to live with these guys each and every time they compete against me. So whether I finish him or not, I want him to have that feeling. But of course, the finish is great and that’s something that people highly anticipate from me right now.”


-Kamaru Usman






 
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This fight card seems to be much better for betting i actually like this one.

If justin gaethje is the underdog i will be taking a side on it. Thanks
@DabanggData for posting those videos.
 
He meant Chandler vs Primus, I think. Only skimmed his post.

The second Primus fight was pretty much Chandler outgrappling him with ease. Did the same to Yamauchi, subbed Held, got top position against Charles, etc. Michael's ground game is pretty legit.
I think he was a Neil Melanson guy. Chandler’s solid.
 
Okay...you guys are confusing the hell out me now LOL. Gaethje vs Primus? This thread is brand new and already someone mentioned Justin vs Melancon as a fight where Justin was outgrappled...and now Justin vs Brent Primus? To my knowledge, he's never fought EITHER of those guys...??? Unless my memory is just utterly failing me...which I guess is possible haha.

If you watch Justin vs Khabib, Justin was beaten before it started. He backed up, got pushed against the cage, and from there Khabib just does what he does. I don't think Chandler will be in Justin's head like Khabib was. Justin was petrified of of the grappling so much that he did exactly the opposite of what he should have.

I'm still recovering from last night.

I think you asked when has Chandler held someone down(maybe you didn't even say that and I'm just imagining things lol), and I was referencing his second fight with Primus, where he held him down for 5 rounds.

Primus is pretty strong, has BJJ way better than Gaethje's, and was unable to get up from underneath Chandler for the entire fight. Chandler just held him in full guard for the entire fight.

Chandler is a smart dude, and taking Justin Gaethje punches isn't good for your health, or your chances of winning. So thinking Chandler can possibly wrestle Gaethje for 5 rounds and just do nothing isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility.
 
I'm still recovering from last night.

I think you asked when has Chandler held someone down(maybe you didn't even say that and I'm just imagining things lol), and I was referencing his second fight with Primus, where he held him down for 5 rounds.

Primus is pretty strong, has BJJ way better than Gaethje's, and was unable to get up from underneath Chandler for the entire fight. Chandler just held him in full guard for the entire fight.

Chandler is a smart dude, and taking Justin Gaethje punches isn't good for your health, or your chances of winning. So thinking Chandler can possibly wrestle Gaethje for 5 rounds and just do nothing isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility.

Ahh you meant Chandler vs Primus. Okay LOL that makes way more sense. No I didn't ask when Chandler had done it, just that overall in his career (and you're right in that fight he did show good top control) he hasn't been amazing at holding guys down and keeping top position because he's really aggressive with his gnp most of the time.

Chandler isn't stupid, but he's also a fighter. He likes to throw hands and try to knock guys out. I don't know what his strategy will be honestly. Maybe he tries to wrestle, maybe he stands and bangs. It's a total guess imo.
 
I'm still recovering from last night.

I think you asked when has Chandler held someone down(maybe you didn't even say that and I'm just imagining things lol), and I was referencing his second fight with Primus, where he held him down for 5 rounds.

Primus is pretty strong, has BJJ way better than Gaethje's, and was unable to get up from underneath Chandler for the entire fight. Chandler just held him in full guard for the entire fight.

Chandler is a smart dude, and taking Justin Gaethje punches isn't good for your health, or your chances of winning. So thinking Chandler can possibly wrestle Gaethje for 5 rounds and just do nothing isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility.

Chandler vs Gaethje is 3 rounds.
 
I'll probably take a stab at Chandler. He is much better on the ground and is not a fish on land in the striking department either. The fear is him wanting to slog it out on the feet, but Chandler comes off as an intelligent dude who saw the blueprint right before his eyes. Also, it being 3 rounds should lower gastank concerns.
 
Geathje should have no problems in this fight. Im more worried about a meme KO than him getting wrestled. Leg kicks, better standup, better chin, good get ups
 
Important to note that while Primus and Yamauchi have good BJJ, they are incapable of wall walking.

That said, I have no idea if Gaethje can wall walk haha.
 
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