UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

[MMA Goodfella]

Yeah he does look robotic as hell, like I said, no play for me as of yet but I'd take Bisping.

Just stating some points from each side, too many on here and so set on one side they can't say anything positive about the other fighter or even accept a valid counter argument etc.

I personally don't think Roach is overrated but I agree from the footage we can see he does look poor on the pads and generally slow.

What are video are you talking about Cr0w? I haven’t seen it I don’t think. But GSPs striking is stiff and robotic almost to the point of looking like a Phil Davis clone.

I do believe that GSP‘s game changed after the M. Serra one fight. He used to be more of a wide open karate stance style with a free flowing offense. In it he implemented a lot of taekwondo in the form of spinning wheel kicks and spinning heel kicks to the liver. This was when him and David Louiseau were basically analogues of one another standing. However GSP had the takedown in his back pocket along with excellent TDD to remain vertical. He would smoke guys standing like Hughes and Trigg and Mayhem with a striking attack and then transition seamlessly into a blast double leg TD where he would go to work on the mat.

However, once he was knocked out he completely altered his game. Now GSP 2.0 consisted of a striking assault that was entirely rudimentary. Indeed, there were no disguises whatsoever. It was a patented Tri-Star stiff jab to quick blast doubles and the milquetoast Greg Jackson position over submission wet blanket top game. This was it every performance regardless of opponent. Essentially, his game was entirely predictive but he was so damn athletic and fast with a shot that it couldn’t be stopped.

Additionally, even when his opponents were able to get back to the feet, GSP had such amazing conditioning that he could continue putting them back down as long as the fight lasted.

I hope he has evolved during his extended vacation or Michael Bisping is going to beat the piss out of him

 

[Wiktoruspro]

I woudlnt bet Cutelaba at this price, Oleksiejczuk may surprise..Mark my words

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

I woudlnt bet Cutelaba at this price, Oleksiejczuk may surprise..Mark my words

Disagree, he is going to get run over. Olek has decent hands but his defence is suspect and so is everything else about his game. Cutelaba fights to the death, you gotta earn that win if you want it and I don't see a short notice Olek doing it. He's never fought out of Poland and he's never fought anyone on the level of a Cutelaba.

I parlayed Harris -300 and Cutelaba -400, it's an easy win.

 

[Sham5916910]

Bit disappointed in Ion's price but man if someone is going to fight for your money to the death it's Cutelaba. I've been burned way too much recently betting against psycho pressure fighters. No more. The level of intensity he brings is off the charts.

 

[cagebrain]

I can understand why people have reasons to be confident on both sides of GSP/Bisping. But, to me this reeks of a fight where going too big is a mistake.

How can any of us have any idea what version of GSP we're getting at this point? Outside of the flukyish Rockhold fight, Bisping has looked pretty bad for a while now. GSP didn't exactly go out lighting the world on fire in that Hendricks fight either. So many question marks for both guys.

Just my opinion, but I can envision some weird stuff happening in this fight. Just like Bisping's last few.

if either guy gets to +150 its value imo just based on capping it 50/50 with all the variance

still wouldn't go huge on it though

 

[cagebrain]

I got half my bankroll on Bisping. He will not win because of his skill set, but because of his cardio and ability to take punishment. As a matter of fact I am fading GSP here. I am actually betting that he is just a great fighter from a different era, and in today's mma, even if you are Maia, you are fucked without cardio and boxing.
No one can convince me that GSP trained hard four years, like looking to learn new stuff and evolving his game without knowing if he will be back. He must likely got in the gym to keep in shape. I just don't see how even GSP, when he is not commited to constantly improving, beats a top ten MW (which is what Bisping is). Can someone provide an example from the last 10 years when a fighter takes extensive time off and then returns a complete monster?

OK no matter your perspective on the fight, putting down half your BR is just objectively terrible
EDIT: read your follow up posts, ok if its for fun then ok, but then I wouldn't necessarily call it a BR, just a casual bet with no BR in mind if you just keep re upping it

 

[EzFlyer]

Kinda surprised zahabi isn't steeper with his hype.. man I barely remember Ramos' debut, lol.

Anderson +money is interesting, tho Anderson Dec will prolly be better.

Gall-brown and vick-duffy(especially) are the best fights on the prelims by far. This card is way too heavy heh. Final 6 fights >>>>> the rest.

Prolly gonna end up on the dog in both of them. Salty I missed out on Vick +175 or whatever it got to.

No bets yet on any of the openers.. first juice reduction probably happening soon, anyway..

P.s. who da fook is cute labia fighting ?

 

[raketmannen]

Masvidal getting close to +160... Already got 5u on him but will have to add some more if it gets that high

 

[cagebrain]

Bisping/GSP o4.5 is -140, and DEC is -155 LOL should be backwards

Liking the o1.5 on Duffy/Vick at -170

Same for Brown/Gall o1.5 -145

 

[NorthernLights]

GSP is +700 / 8.00 now on Ohmbets special bets section

 

[Yotsuya]

Kinda surprised zahabi isn't steeper with his hype.. man I barely remember Ramos' debut, lol.

Zahabi's stiff bodytilting defense seems risky agains snappy hook combos Ramos threw against Tanaka, but Tanaka is a midget and Zahabi fights tall and should have the edge at least in later rounds as Ramos gassed bad in his debut.

 

[EzFlyer]

better off middling the dec props on both fighters than playing the -180

You run the math? Almost never worth it

 

[Yotsuya]

I think Zahibi might have a clear mental edge. Ramon folded bad and got choked R1 in his Legacy title fight and almost lost his debut because of gassing bad. Zahibi seems solid and did not loose momentum even though he got rattled against Vieira.

 

[betrayedlurker]

I HIGHLY doubt it. I’ll have to check. My CT is all fucked up right now. I’m writing and capping for a prominent betting site and they keep their own records and I’ve slacked on keeping up with mine. i.e. last week I had Covington as my major bet along with Pedro Munoz ML and by submission + Thiago Santos and I inadvertently omitted both of them from my CT page. However I listed them here in the official bets thread

... Right now my MMA record is:

+138.94u +15.08% ROI 360 days
+158.46u +11.63% ROI 720 days

Those are more accurate representation but having left out Covington really fucked up my statistics.

Nice stats, all about the long term. Your record does say you had 15u on Bibulatov on that event though across three parlays, just checked it again.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Gonna watch tape on Duffy today. Hope I like him as much as you @Sadistics

 

[Oblivian]

Out of the new lines, I'm on Duffy, Anderson, Gall, and Ramos.

 

[rille31]

Against Tanaka I had Ramos loosing r2 and 3 but r2 was pretty close and r1 could have been a 10-8

 

[Yotsuya]

Out of the new lines, I'm on Duffy, Anderson, Gall, and Ramos.

I'm trying to practice my early odds capping with Ramos-Zahibi and slightly lean Zahibi based on their debuts. What's your take on this fight?

 

[Jamah]

What do you guys think about the Oleinik - Blaydes fight? Is Blaydes going to grapple with Oleinik?

 

[wack3d]

need to watch it again but i remember thinking Zahibi lost that fight.. stats seems to suggest so too he was outstruck 64-44 and 0-2 in takedowns