UFC 217 - Bisping vs GSP - NYC

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

GSP was already on his way out when he retired. Tons of injuries and personal issues. Not to mention blaming time loss from CTE on aliens.

Bisping gonna get an easy W over another GOAT. Trust me on this. If you don't have 5 units on Bisping you can't be taken seriously as a bettor IMO.

LOL but you don't even know what you are betting against. GSP might show up, look good and take Bisping down all night, just like Kennedy did.

GSP is a former GOAT, you can't compare him to normal fighters that are coming off a long layoff, he's special fighter, he's only ever lost twice.

Bisping is older than GSP, considering retirement and he nearly lost to a 50 year old man, he is far from the best middleweight in the world.

GSP wanted this fight cause he thinks he can win, he didn't want Anderson, Weidman, Rockhold.

Being overly confident on either side of this fight is foolish, so many unknowns, you are going in blind.

I'm simply playing devils advocate, I think Bisping at +money is the right play but I wouldn't be confident.

 

[lifeisgood12345]

At the end of the day, there's countless red flags surrounding GSP and when has anyone ever looked good off such a long layoff?

Cruz beat Dillashaw with just a quick KO of Mizugaki in > 4 years between that fight and MM. And Dillashaw is way the fuck better than Bisping.

Also Hendo + Silva's one punch power is an argument against them matching up badly with an iron chin like Bisping. GSP is much more tailored toward winning 5 round decisions and is a tougher matchup. Bisping's takedown D is good but not great and it's not like he badly outclasses GSP on foot.

 

[ill800]

Gotta agree with you guys on Dillashaw, +150 is off, I think the Cruz looked bad in the Garbrandt fight and maybe Garbrandt is a little overrated right now. Garbrandt's back injury also raises questions.

Dillashaw has the overall better game, he has a more diverse skillset and I don't think he's outmatched anywhere. This will most likely be a very competitive fight but I do give a very slight lean to Dillashaw.

If he can’t take down garbrandt there’s going to be a problem.

 

[betrayedlurker]

LOL but you don't even know what you are betting against. GSP might show up, look good and take Bisping down all night, just like Kennedy did.

GSP is a former GOAT, you can't compare him to normal fighters that are coming off a long layoff, he's special fighter, he's only ever lost twice.

Bisping is older than GSP, considering retirement and he nearly lost to a 50 year old man, he is far from the best middleweight in the world.

GSP wanted this fight cause he thinks he can win, he didn't want Anderson, Weidman, Rockhold.

Being overly confident on either side of this fight is foolish, so many unknowns, you are going in blind.

I'm simply playing devils advocate, I think Bisping at +money is the right play but I wouldn't be confident.

It doesn't matter how smart he is, or how good he was in a completely different era. He's human like everyone else, and the layoff will affect him the same as it does everyone else. He's also clearly delusional. Doesn't matter that he only lost twice either, he's not the same guy. He was already not the same guy in the Hendricks fight (which he clearly lost).

Facts, not guesses:
- 36 years old, coming off a 4 year layoff
- Retired because he couldn't deal with the pressure and "personal issues"
- Was clearly on roids throughout his career (everyone knows)
- Several injuries, ACL surgeries etc
- Looks fat and slow, not a 185er
- Long-time mentor left him because he says he should've stayed retired and didn't like what he saw from him in sparring
- Blames CTE time loss on aliens

... that's just a few red flags

Say what you want about Bisping but he got the best win of his career at 37 years old. He has good takedown defence. He has endless cardio and great volume.

He's still a tough fight for a natural welterweight who mostly fought smaller guys throughout his entire career. He also said he could make 155. Bisping is a former 205er.

No disrespect my fren but Bisping is clearly a great bet at these odds, based on nothing but facts. Saying otherwise just because "GSP has only lost twice" and "Bisping got outwrestled pre USADA by huge 185ers who were on anabolic steroids" is not a sign of a top bettor.

It's OK to change your mind, I hope you do. This is easy money.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

If he can’t take down garbrandt there’s going to be a problem.

Maybe, I think Dillashaw will be more competitive than Cruz was on the feet, I also think Dillashaw is a better athlete and wrestler than Cruz. Garbrandt is the better boxer and the bigger puncher, that is worrying.

Still gotta lean Dillashaw, I like that he is the more well rounded fighter and Garbrandt's back injury may be a significant factor.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Cruz beat Dillashaw with just a quick KO of Mizugaki in > 4 years between that fight and MM. And Dillashaw is way the fuck better than Bisping.

Also Hendo + Silva's one punch power is an argument against them matching up badly with an iron chin like Bisping. GSP is much more tailored toward winning 5 round decisions and is a tougher matchup. Bisping's takedown D is good but not great and it's not like he badly outclasses GSP on foot.

Cruz is the one exception (like literally the only one ever). He's also much younger, didn't take as much blows to the head as GSP and didn't return a weight class above. Not even slightly comparable.

 

[rille31]

Didn't Clarence Byron almost finish Bisping?

 

[lifeisgood12345]

What do people make of Buchholz getting fired shortly before the fight? Is he going to be in Cody's corner? What does it meannnn.

https://fansided.com/2017/10/29/justin-buchholz-no-longer-head-coach-team-alpha-male/

If nothing else I'd be scared shitless if I had money on Cody. He has the back injury, he's made some questionable decisions to rehab it with the drunk wrestling, his coach is getting demoted right before the fight before no apparent reason. He has a bunch of red flags, don't think he can be trusted to perform like he did vs Cruz.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

It doesn't matter how smart he is, or how good he was and in a completely different era. He's human like everyone else, and the layoff will affect him the same as it does everyone else. He's also clearly delusional. Doesn't matter that he only lost twice either, he's not the same guy. He was already not the same guy in the Hendricks fight (which he clearly lost).

Facts, not guesses:
- 36 years old, coming off a 4 year layoff
- Retired because he couldn't deal with the pressure and "personal issues"
- Was clearly on roids throughout his career (everyone knows)
- Several injuries, ACL surgeries etc
- Looks fat and slow, not a 185er
- Long-time mentor left him because he says he should've stayed retired and didn't like what he saw from him in sparring
- Blames CTE time loss on aliens

... that's just a few red flags

Say what you want about Bisping but he got the best win of his career at 37 years old. He has good takedown defence. He has endless cardio and great volume.

He's still a tough fight for a natural welterweight who mostly fought smaller guys throughout his entire career. He also said he could make 155. Bisping is a former 205er.

No disrespect my fren but Bisping is clearly a great bet at these odds, based on nothing but facts. Saying otherwise just because "GSP has only lost twice" and "Bisping got outwrestled pre USADA by huge 185ers who were on anabolic steroids" is not a sign of a top bettor.

It's OK to change your mind, I hope you do. This is easy money.

I see a lot of wishful thinking my friend, you are not a proven top bettor yet, I can't take you seriously until you prove yourself. There are better fights to bet than this one, this fight is for rookie bettors IMO, going in blind, without facts.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Didn't Clarence Byron almost finish Bisping?

You should be a journalist with that misdirection, good job, but GSP isn't a 6ft 2 light heavyweight.

I prefer to take something else from that fight - Bisping showing great takedown defence against a light heavyweight division 1 wrestler (easily stuffing 6/8 takedowns).

 

[betrayedlurker]

I see a lot of wishful thinking my friend, you are not a proven top bettor yet, I can't take you seriously until you prove yourself. There are better fights to bet than this one, this fight is for rookie bettors IMO, going in blind, without facts.

OK be that way, I will prove I'm a top bettor in 5 days.

But if Bisping wins you have a lot of work to do to climb the ladder again. Missing easy money like this will be a big setback.

 

[ill800]

It doesn't matter how smart he is, or how good he was in a completely different era. He's human like everyone else, and the layoff will affect him the same as it does everyone else. He's also clearly delusional. Doesn't matter that he only lost twice either, he's not the same guy. He was already not the same guy in the Hendricks fight (which he clearly lost).

Facts, not guesses:
- 36 years old, coming off a 4 year layoff
- Retired because he couldn't deal with the pressure and "personal issues"
- Was clearly on roids throughout his career (everyone knows)
- Several injuries, ACL surgeries etc
- Looks fat and slow, not a 185er
- Long-time mentor left him because he says he should've stayed retired and didn't like what he saw from him in sparring
- Blames CTE time loss on aliens

... that's just a few red flags

Say what you want about Bisping but he got the best win of his career at 37 years old. He has good takedown defence. He has endless cardio and great volume.

He's still a tough fight for a natural welterweight who mostly fought smaller guys throughout his entire career. He also said he could make 155. Bisping is a former 205er.

No disrespect my fren but Bisping is clearly a great bet at these odds, based on nothing but facts. Saying otherwise just because "GSP has only lost twice" and "Bisping got outwrestled pre USADA by huge 185ers who were on anabolic steroids" is not a sign of a top bettor.

It's OK to change your mind, I hope you do. This is easy money.

From rogans podcast:

I think Georges should retire," said Rogan. "One of the reasons I think Georges should retire is he was on my podcast and he was talking about being abducted by aliens. I was going, 'you think you've been abducted by aliens?' He starts talking about missing time. He started talking about driving his car and all of a sudden he's at home and he has no idea [how] he got there. I think it's head kicks."

"That fight he had some serious memory loss (at UFC 167). I think he's taken too many shots. An interesting statistic is that Georges has taken more punches and kicks in the last three fights than any of his fights, ever. In fact, 50% of the shots he's taken his entire career were in the last three fights. I think he should get out. I know the UFC probably doesn't want to hear me say that. I know that could be a huge rematch."


I don’t put much stock in a guy who claims he’s been watching mma for 2 months and proceeds to say he’s a top bettor.

From reading his analyses, I would say he’s lying about watching mma for 2 months.

Anyhow, I will repeat my previous statement that gsp is a just a big huge red flag. Do not bet gsp. I wouldn’t put a nickle on him unless he was around at least +200.

Definitely a fade. I will be very surprised if he’s able to consistently take down and control bisping for more than 3 rounds of the fight.

Bisping is going to be all over him. Aliens gonna snatch him up again.

 

[betrayedlurker]

From rogans podcast:

I think Georges should retire," said Rogan. "One of the reasons I think Georges should retire is he was on my podcast and he was talking about being abducted by aliens. I was going, 'you think you've been abducted by aliens?' He starts talking about missing time. He started talking about driving his car and all of a sudden he's at home and he has no idea [how] he got there. I think it's head kicks."

"That fight he had some serious memory loss (at UFC 167). I think he's taken too many shots. An interesting statistic is that Georges has taken more punches and kicks in the last three fights than any of his fights, ever. In fact, 50% of the shots he's taken his entire career were in the last three fights. I think he should get out. I know the UFC probably doesn't want to hear me say that. I know that could be a huge rematch."


I don’t put much stock in a guy who claims he’s been watching mma for 2 months and proceeds to say he’s a top bettor.

From reading his analysises, I would say he’s lying about watching mma for 2 months.

Anyhow, I will repeat my previous statement that gsp is a just a big huge red flag. Do not bet gsp. I wouldn’t put a nickle on him unless he was around at least +200.

Definitely a fade. I will be very surprised if he’s able to consistently take down and control bisping for more than 3 rounds of the fight.

Bisping is going to be all over him. Aliens gonna snatch him up again.

Much respect for this post. It's clear as day that you're a top bettor and demand respect from me moving forward.

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

OK be that way, I will prove I'm a top bettor in 5 days.

But if Bisping wins you have a lot of work to do to climb the ladder again. Missing easy money like this will be a big setback.

Bisping winning does not make you a top bettor, it takes a lot more than that. I'm an underdog betting king, I sweep the board with dogs.

 

[lifeisgood12345]

From reading his analysises, I would say he’s lying about watching mma for 2 months.

I'm not. Made a ton of money on Floyd vs Conor then started binging it. I learn fast and MMA is extremely simple + easy to learn.

And by all means I wouldn't put too much stock in my opinions either. If i had everything figured out I wouldn't be posting here. I am just an ideas man and like to hear counters to my ideas before dumping $$$$ on them.

I think many of you have raised fair points about GSP. But I also believe that you are all way overrating Bisping bc of recent wins. I don't think GSP is stable enough to be a great bet. But I might degen a bit of money on him for fun since I feel he's being slightly underrated and it will be fun since I will be at the fight.

 

[betrayedlurker]

Bisping winning does not make you a top bettor, it takes a lot more than that. I'm an underdog betting king, I sweep the board with dogs.

I didn't bet Font last event and was the only one on Luque. -120 that should've been -700. Must be close after Bisping cashes this Sat.

 

[ill800]

Maybe, I think Dillashaw will be more competitive than Cruz was on the feet, I also think Dillashaw is a better athlete and wrestler than Cruz. Garbrandt is the better boxer and the bigger puncher, that is worrying.

Still gotta lean Dillashaw, I like that he is the more well rounded fighter and Garbrandt's back injury may be a significant factor.

I love the way tj sets up his takedowns. He keeps you guessing. He worked lineker over so badly mixing it up like he did.

Garbrandt is quick and he has good reactions and timing. I think he’s gonna be able to stuff a majority of the takedowns and will land a bomb on tj.

Cody puts guys to bed. He’s gonna test tjs chin.

Probably the best fight on the card here

 

[Zee's MMA Subscriber]

I didn't bet Font on Saturday and was the only one on Luque. -120 that should've been -700. Must be close after Bisping cashes this Sat.

Good job but it will still take a lot more, just keep winning and you will earn respect

 

[ill800]

I didn't bet Font last event and was the only one on Luque. -120 that should've been -700. Must be close after Bisping cashes this Sat.

Lol so many people talk trash about how great of a bettor they are.

We have some really good cappers around here who don’t tout, they just find value a majority of the time

Ez finds great lines all the time and I never once seen him beating his chest about how great he is.

Much respect for this post. It's clear as day that you're a top bettor and demand respect from me moving forward.

Lol this top bettor crap is amusing. I truly can’t tell if some of these guys are trolling or if they truly believe what they say

 

[betrayedlurker]

Ez finds great lines all the time and I never once seen him beating his chest about how great he is.

Yeah he's one of the best here without a doubt.