UFC 205 - Conor vs Alvarez - NY

[SBJJ]

Also have to take into account that Woodley clearly did not want to fight WB. That is telling on how confident he is.

 

[SBJJ]

I've done the exact same play too, big as well. Unfortunately, I lack your confidence.

So excited for this card.

I'd be more worried with JJ

 

[Joseph Budden]

Also have to take into account that Woodley clearly did not want to fight WB. That is telling on how confident he is.

Cause he wanted the biggest payday possible, not cause hes scared.

 

[Soccer Steve]

I'd be more worried with JJ

As in how long it takes for her to absolutely dice KK apart?


I'm kidding. I have 0 confidence in both now that my money is on them.

 

[Sham5916910]

Cause he wanted the biggest payday possible, not cause hes scared.

Woodley is in no position to demand mega fights/big paydays. He waited 18 months i think to fight and hasnt even defended the belt yet. Yeah he was trying to get a big payday but he clearly was trying to avoid a first defence against wb. Wasnt he calling out diaz? Lol perfect fight for him stylistically

 

[Joseph Budden]

Woodley is in no position to demand mega fights/big paydays. He waited 18 months i think to fight and hasnt even defended the belt yet. Yeah he was trying to get a big payday but he clearly was trying to avoid a first defence against wb. Wasnt he calling out diaz? Lol perfect fight for him stylistically

Not disagreeing with that, just pointing that out since SBJJ's post suggests its cause of lack of confidence he wanted GSP or Diaz. I don't believe that for a second, genuinely think the dude just wanted some big money.

 

[arrelione]

This card is monsterous and it just got better for me. Closing a 7800$ parlay with Cowboy + Wonderboy.
Eying some other plays as well but I haven't made up my mind on those yet.

 

[Sham5916910]

Not disagreeing with that, just pointing that out since SBJJ's post suggests its cause of lack of confidence he wanted GSP or Diaz. I don't believe that for a second, genuinely think the dude just wanted some big money.

Agree he wanted big money fight but he wanted that first rather than defend the belt first cos he is very worried by wb imo.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Agree he wanted big money fight but he wanted that first rather than defend the belt first cos he is very worried by wb imo.

I don't think hes worried about anyone. The dude has a few kids, hadn't fought in forever, and i'd assume his payday would be much bigger against GSP or Diaz

Woodley is talking mega shit to WB without the slightest hint of fear. I never have and never will understand these discussions about a top level professional fighter losing confidence or being afraid when faced with a specific opponent. Its nonsense to me, i'd never factor that into a bet

 

[Sham5916910]

I don't think hes worried about anyone. The dude has a few kids, hadn't fought in forever, and i'd assume his payday would be much bigger against GSP or Diaz

Woodley is talking mega shit to WB without the slightest hint of fear. I never have and never will understand these discussions about a top level professional fighter losing confidence or being afraid when faced with a specific opponent. Its nonsense to me, i'd never factor that into a bet

Im not saying hes scared of wb as such i think hes scared of losing the belt which is a good thing of course but he knows wb represents a big threat and if he loses the belt he loses those potential big pay days hence why he was trying to get one in before defending against wb. Cant blame him for trying.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Im not saying hes scared of wb as such i think hes scared of losing the belt which is a good thing of course but he knows wb represents a big threat and if he loses the belt he loses those potential big pay days hence why he was trying to get one in before defending against wb. Cant blame him for trying.

Eh, we can agree to disagree. You're basically saying Woodley is so worried about WB that hes chasing other guys first. I don't think thats the case in the slightest. Hes champion for a reason. I'm sure hes confident he'll fuck anyone up. Dude just wanted the biggest payday possible.

 

[Sham5916910]

Eh, we can agree to disagree. You're basically saying Woodley is so worried about WB that hes chasing other guys first. I don't think thats the case in the slightest. Hes champion for a reason. I'm sure hes confident he'll fuck anyone up. Dude just wanted the biggest payday possible.

I think hes chasing other guys who will give him a bigger payday first yes and i guess you cant blame him. I think thats the wrong mentality tho defend your belt at least once him asking for favourable stylistic match ups for bigger paydays just sends out the wrong signals for me. Just my 2 cents tho.

 

[LEMONZEST]

Eh, we can agree to disagree. You're basically saying Woodley is so worried about WB that hes chasing other guys first. I don't think thats the case in the slightest. Hes champion for a reason. I'm sure hes confident he'll fuck anyone up. Dude just wanted the biggest payday possible.

Yeah I agree with your here JB. I don't think you can become champ with a weak mindset like that. The top 5 guys are all deluded into thinking they can beat anyone...thats part of the mix you need to be a top level fighter.

If you don't truly believe you can wreck anyone then you can't get to the top.

 

[Joseph Budden]

I think hes chasing other guys who will give him a bigger payday first yes and i guess you cant blame him. I think thats the wrong mentality tho defend your belt at least once him asking for favourable stylistic match ups for bigger paydays just sends out the wrong signals for me. Just my 2 cents tho.

But the favorable matchups have nothing to do with it. Its about the money. If fighting WB paid more than GSP or Diaz, I have zero doubt Woodley would have called him out.

I was peeved at first too, cause selfishly as a fan I agree with you regarding defending the belt. But this is the hurt business, and Woodley has every right to chase the fight thats going to be best for him and his family financially. I'm not mad at him.

 

[mkess101]

Eh, we can agree to disagree. You're basically saying Woodley is so worried about WB that hes chasing other guys first. I don't think thats the case in the slightest. Hes champion for a reason. I'm sure hes confident he'll fuck anyone up. Dude just wanted the biggest payday possible.

You're both right. I'm sure he thinks he'll beat WB (I don't, but I agree he thinks he will) but he knows WB is a legit threat and if he loses to WB then the chance for the potentially bigger payday vs GSP or Diaz goes away. That said, he might make as much or more fighting on this mega card than headlining a card vs Diaz that was weak (GSP returning would get him paid though, no question). This is all of course assuming Woodley gets any cut of ppv $. If he doesn't, his contract pretty much dictates what he makes.

 

[SBJJ]

Why is taking a statement out of context in this forum so prevalent. I NEVER said Woodley was scared of anyone. But to say he is as confident in defending against WB as he would be against Diaz or GSP is crazy. And it was so apparent in his interviews.

 

[SBJJ]

You're both right. I'm sure he thinks he'll beat WB (I don't, but I agree he thinks he will) but he knows WB is a legit threat and if he loses to WB then the chance for the potentially bigger payday vs GSP or Diaz goes away. That said, he might make as much or more fighting on this mega card than headlining a card vs Diaz that was weak (GSP returning would get him paid though, no question). This is all of course assuming Woodley gets any cut of ppv $. If he doesn't, his contract pretty much dictates what he makes.

Agreed. But it is and was obvious that Woodley thought this fight was very dangerous. He really seemed to think WB might steal his payday.

I'm amazed so many seem to think that these fighters never have doubts in their minds. These are humans.

Look at boxing. Dudes ducking guys right & left. The only reason u don't see it more in the UFC(even though guys do decline fights) is because it is ran more like a business then boxing. Hard to tell your boss u are not gonna fight in the UFC

 

[Joseph Budden]

Why is taking a statement out of context in this forum so prevalent. I NEVER said Woodley was scared of anyone. But to say he is as confident in defending against WB as he would be against Diaz or GSP is crazy. And it was so apparent in his interviews.

Didn't mean to do that, but it seemed you were alluding to lacking confidence against WB. Maybe scared is a bit strong, but its not exactly far off from the same thing.

But still disagree. I don't know what interviews you've read that lead you to this belief, link if you can, but Woodley has shown nothing but confidence from the moment he won the title and told WB to basically fuck off to his face (through camera at least).

Plus, as already stated, he is a high level athlete. There is no discourse of confidence in an athlete of Woodley's calibur, regardless of the opposition.

 

[SBJJ]

But the favorable matchups have nothing to do with it. Its about the money. If fighting WB paid more than GSP or Diaz, I have zero doubt Woodley would have called him out.

I was peeved at first too, cause selfishly as a fan I agree with you regarding defending the belt. But this is the hurt business, and Woodley has every right to chase the fight thats going to be best for him and his family financially. I'm not mad at him.

Are u saying u believe that T Wood is as confident he will beat WB as he was GSP & Diaz? Wasn't he even declining a #1 contender fight with WB at 1 point.

I'll ask u this, would u be confident going in against WB? These are not marvel super heroes. They are human beings and they think a lot like other human beings.

I never said he was scared. I said his actions showed a lack of confidence and I stand by the statement. Cool if u disagree. But lack of confidence is not being scared.

 

[mkess101]

Agreed. But it is and was obvious that Woodley thought this fight was very dangerous. He really seemed to think WB might steal his payday.

I'm amazed so many seem to think that these fighters never have doubts in their minds. These are humans.

Look at boxing. Dudes ducking guys right & left. The only reason u don't see it more in the UFC(even though guys do decline fights) is because it is ran more like a business then boxing. Hard to tell your boss u are not gonna fight in the UFC

For sure the smarter guys weigh risk vs reward. No question. Woodley thinks he'll beat Wonderboy. But he sure as hell doesn't KNOW he will, and he sees what kind of fighter WB is and the challenges he provides. There's a ton of risk and his potential "big payday" goes away with a loss.