UFC 205 - Conor vs Alvarez - NY

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Feeling good about this card. Usually the cards filled with superstars and mega fights are the easiest ones to hit parlays on... the only ones I'm scared/hesitant to throw in there are

Edgar/Stephens (for Edgar)
Khabib/MJ (for Khabib)
Weidman/Romero (for Weidman, although not as worried as the previous two)

What do you guys think? I just think MJ might have a great chance at catching Khabib on the feet, and Stephens seems to be coming into his own as a top FW. Weidman/Romero is close and in a 3 round fight really anything is possible, if it was a 5 rounder I'd bet the house on Weidman.
 
Also do you guys think there's a good chance Wonderboy gets hit with the T Wood bomb early? Or is just a level above based off his domination of Hendricks and Rory...
 
Bet365:

Wonderboy R4 +1800
Wonderboy R5 +2500

Romero R3 +2000
 
Also do you guys think there's a good chance Wonderboy gets hit with the T Wood bomb early? Or is just a level above based off his domination of Hendricks and Rory...

I think it's a possibility. Wonderboy holds his hands very low and Woodley is so explosive early in the fight that I won't be surprised if Woodley manages to catch him with a big shot.
 
I think it's a possibility. Wonderboy holds his hands very low and Woodley is so explosive early in the fight that I won't be surprised if Woodley manages to catch him with a big shot.

Yup this scares me... hopefully Wonderboy can stay on the outside with kicks and wear Woodley down like that but that bomb is scaring the shit out of me, plus, we don't know just how much Woodley may have improved during his time off.
 
Yup this scares me... hopefully Wonderboy can stay on the outside with kicks and wear Woodley down like that but that bomb is scaring the shit out of me, plus, we don't know just how much Woodley may have improved during his time off.

I know people hate math here but I think it has to factor into a breakdown of a fight, at least somewhat.

Rory schooled Tyron.
WB schooled Rory.

Of course, Tyron could connect and finish WB. I really don't think he does. You say we don't know how much Tyron has improved...but what about WB? I would think his ceiling is higher actually.
 
I know people hate math here but I think it has to factor into a breakdown of a fight, at least somewhat.

Rory schooled Tyron.
WB schooled Rory.

Of course, Tyron could connect and finish WB. I really don't think he does. You say we don't know how much Tyron has improved...but what about WB? I would think his ceiling is higher actually.

Oh, don't get me I'm wrong favoring Wonderboy and will drop money on him.. there's just a few things about T Wood that worry me.
 
I know people hate math here but I think it has to factor into a breakdown of a fight, at least somewhat.

Rory schooled Tyron.
WB schooled Rory.

Of course, Tyron could connect and finish WB. I really don't think he does. You say we don't know how much Tyron has improved...but what about WB? I would think his ceiling is higher actually.

My only issue with that line of thinking is the circumstances of both fights. I don't think the Rory we saw against Wonderboy was near the same fighter we saw against Woodley. Rory looked so tentative in the Wonderboy fight. Maybe the credit goes to Wonderboy for that, but it looked to me like Rory hadn't recovered mentally from the Lawler fight, broken nose issue, etc.

I honestly don't know who I favor in this Woodley vs Wonderboy matchup yet. I'm not overly impressed with Wonderboy's defense and although he's a much more technical striker, all it takes is one mistake against a guy with Woodley's combination of speed and power. I will say though that if Woodley is going to win, he probably needs to knock Wonderboy out in the first couple of rounds. The longer it goes the more it favors Wonderboy IMO.
 
I know people hate math here but I think it has to factor into a breakdown of a fight, at least somewhat.

Rory schooled Tyron.
WB schooled Rory.

Of course, Tyron could connect and finish WB. I really don't think he does. You say we don't know how much Tyron has improved...but what about WB? I would think his ceiling is higher actually.
Cmon now Steve. Do I have to show you the hundreds of examples of MMAth not working? Styles make fights. The most true quote in the sport
 
Full props are going up now on 5d for the rest of the card...
 
Cmon now Steve. Do I have to show you the hundreds of examples of MMAth not working? Styles make fights. The most true quote in the sport

No, very fair. Looking no further than Rousey/Tate/Holm, et al...

But I already have money on WB so anytime someone talks about how they're afraid of Tyron KO'ing him I get my face on about it:
 

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full props back up (including ones that never did go up)

MJ rd1 +775?
MJ ko +500?
MJ itd +415?

boetsch NSC +110?

miller DEC +400?

carmouche DEC +346?

rashad DEC +353

gastelum NSC back up to +180, btw

KK DEC up to +625 wow
 
liking jim miller up at +145 quite a bit. lotta questionmarks with alves right now. first cut to 155. miller looks rejuvinated lately. almost a local fight for miller, too. he'll have support.
 
liking jim miller up at +145 quite a bit. lotta questionmarks with alves right now. first cut to 155. miller looks rejuvinated lately. almost a local fight for miller, too. he'll have support.
As someone who has seen Miller fight many times, just wanna point out he never wins on the east coast anymore. Last 4 fights he lost over here iirc (Cerrone, Diaz, Dariush, Healy)

With that said i'll prob take his decision line
 
My only issue with that line of thinking is the circumstances of both fights. I don't think the Rory we saw against Wonderboy was near the same fighter we saw against Woodley. Rory looked so tentative in the Wonderboy fight. Maybe the credit goes to Wonderboy for that, but it looked to me like Rory hadn't recovered mentally from the Lawler fight, broken nose issue, etc.

I honestly don't know who I favor in this Woodley vs Wonderboy matchup yet. I'm not overly impressed with Wonderboy's defense and although he's a much more technical striker, all it takes is one mistake against a guy with Woodley's combination of speed and power. I will say though that if Woodley is going to win, he probably needs to knock Wonderboy out in the first couple of rounds. The longer it goes the more it favors Wonderboy IMO.

WB seems to have better timing and reflexes than anyone Woodley's faced by far. I think if Woodley is lunging forward looking for that bomb that he's gonna get countered, hurt, and finished most likely. Could Woodley land it? Sure. Unlikely though imo. Of course the alternative is for him to either try to use offensive wrestling (Wonderboy's footwork and use of distance will make that very difficult) or fight at the distance WB wants to fight at (not a good idea). So yeah, I favor WB pretty heavily here LOL.
 
As someone who has seen Miller fight many times, just wanna point out he never wins on the east coast anymore. Last 4 fights he lost over here iirc (Cerrone, Diaz, Dariush, Healy)

With that said i'll prob take his decision line

Doesn't Jim Miller have some illness that causes pain in his bones etc. Don't remember exactly but I seem to remember he has some chronic issue. Anyway I won't be betting Miller here unless I get very good dog odds.
 
Doesn't Jim Miller have some illness that causes pain in his bones etc. Don't remember exactly but I seem to remember he has some chronic issue. Anyway I won't be betting Miller here unless I get very good dog odds.
Not that I know of. Maybe you're referring to him fighting Diego with lyme disease?
 
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I find it weird that Stephen Thompson is -200 as the challenger. I think he's overly juiced and there's no value in that whatsoever. -110 would've been a fair price on either side to be honest, and maybe then I would've played Wonderboy and I still wouldn't be confident in the pick.

I think when WB beat Hendricks people overreacted into thinking Wonderboy will eat up any wrestler which isn't true. Hendricks =/= Woodley. The two are different in fighting stances. Hendricks fights right foot forward was known for his big left hand and Tyron fights left foot forward is known for his big right. Different problems that needs different solutions for WB is all I'm sayin.

Now there's some good evidence with WB beating Rory that he can handle all types but Rory was a lil different too compared to Tyron. Rory has great wrestling himself but he isn't the same as Tyron in his approach. Rory was super strong and he had great reactive TDs but Rory's pride was his jab and he works everything off of it. Tyron rarely throws out his jab and he's pretty much all about that monster right hand. A fight that Tyron wins is a fight that he's able to get close enough to box and clinch when he needs to.

We honestly can't ignore Jake Ellenberger dropping WB. That happened because WB keeps his hands down and Jake feinted his way into the pocket with a 1-1-2 which Tyron is capable of executing too. Jake paused in between throwing the 2, in which Wonderboy fired off a left handed counter but Jake ate the punch and found himself in position to land that right hand. A very dangerous proposition for either guy if they make a error in either the form of a homerun hitter for Woodley, or Woodley running into a critical counter if he isn't careful.!

With all that said, with every fight, Stephen is getting more comfortable with experience and his game is SO god damn complicated that I can't really grasp what he's fully capable of. Thompson owns da range game and Tyron's gotten better with his leg kicks over the years but they've gotta be inside leg kicks against a southpaw. A fight that WB is winning is a fight that's dictated exclusively on the outside, and using counters/footwork when Tyron enters into range.

This is an extremely difficult fight to break down and I'm sure as hell leaving out a fuck load of other details but it's really hard fight to analyze. I didn't even mention that Stephen knows how to switch stances too. That just means this is a sick ass high level fight.

Final verdict: picking Wonderboy, but I ain't payin that juice with my money. I will say this, that first round will tell us everything we need to know because of the contrast in which range each respective fighter operates in (that includes the horizontal one if WB's on his back).
 
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Doesn't Jim Miller have some illness that causes pain in his bones etc. Don't remember exactly but I seem to remember he has some chronic issue. Anyway I won't be betting Miller here unless I get very good dog odds.

Like Joseph said, he was sick vs Sanchez. Hes looked much better since...

No one talking about alves' long layoff(s) and inactivity, his first cut to 155, etc, either.

I have a unit alrdy on miller.. almost certainly doing a second
 
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