UFC 205 - Conor vs Alvarez - NY

[SBJJ]

Didn't mean to do that, but it seemed you were alluding to lacking confidence against WB. Maybe scared is a bit strong, but its not exactly far off from the same thing.

But still disagree. I don't know what interviews you've read that lead you to this belief, link if you can, but Woodley has shown nothing but confidence from the moment he won the title and told WB to basically fuck off to his face (through camera at least).

Plus, as already stated, he is a high level athlete. There is no discourse of confidence in an athlete of Woodley's calibur, regardless of the opposition.

Dude. Your last statement is just false. Why do high level athletes have sports psychologists. U act like these guys are not human.

There are literally a half a dozen fighters ducking GGG(a champion) in boxing.

Seriously, these guys still have doubts. They still doubt themselves.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Are u saying u believe that T Wood is as confident he will beat WB as he was GSP & Diaz? Wasn't he even declining a #1 contender fight with WB at 1 point.

I'll ask u this, would u be confident going in against WB? These are not marvel super heroes. They are human beings and they think a lot like other human beings.

I never said he was scared. I said his actions showed a lack of confidence and I stand by the statement. Cool if u disagree. But lack of confidence is not being scared.

Of course man lol we are talking about a championship level athlete, and he has been his whole life. You tell me regarding ducking WB previously, like I said I don't remember anything of the sort, and recently he has been clearly confident. Dude got boo'd heavy at MSG and wasn't even close to shook.

Yes. I mean, long story short, I wrestled for a HS that sucked at wrestling so I was varsity in my first year. I sure as fuck was never rattled going against kids who wrestled their whole lives. And i'm no T Wood lol an athlete of his calibur who has competed his whole life will be 100% confident vs anyone.

 

[mkess101]

Didn't mean to do that, but it seemed you were alluding to lacking confidence against WB. Maybe scared is a bit strong, but its not exactly far off from the same thing.

But still disagree. I don't know what interviews you've read that lead you to this belief, link if you can, but Woodley has shown nothing but confidence from the moment he won the title and told WB to basically fuck off to his face (through camera at least).

Plus, as already stated, he is a high level athlete. There is no discourse of confidence in an athlete of Woodley's calibur, regardless of the opposition.

There's degrees. Woodley being "more" confident he'd wreck GSP or Nick doesn't mean he's not confident he'll beat WB. Just means "not as" confident. Which makes sense given where those 3 guys are at in their careers.

 

[SBJJ]

For sure the smarter guys weigh risk vs reward. No question. Woodley thinks he'll beat Wonderboy. But he sure as hell doesn't KNOW he will, and he sees what kind of fighter WB is and the challenges he provides. There's a ton of risk and his potential "big payday" goes away with a loss.

Yup!! Doesn't mean he's scared. It just shows his confidence level is not as high as usual. And there is nothing wrong with that

 

[SBJJ]

Of course man lol we are talking about a championship level athlete, and he has been his whole life. You tell me regarding ducking WB previously, like I said I don't remember anything of the sort, and recently he has been clearly confident. Dude got boo'd heavy at MSG and wasn't even close to shook.

Yes. I mean, long story short, I wrestled for a HS that sucked at wrestling so I was varsity in my first year. I sure as fuck was never rattled going against kids who wrestled their whole lives. And i'm no T Wood lol an athlete of his calibur who has competed his whole life will be 100% confident vs anyone.

Well, I wrestled Varsity at a decent high school, was juicing and still had doubts.

I remember even hoping I got matched up easier at meets. I wasn't scared but I wanted to fucking win not lose

 

[mkess101]

Of course man lol we are talking about a championship level athlete, and he has been his whole life. You tell me regarding ducking WB previously, like I said I don't remember anything of the sort, and recently he has been clearly confident. Dude got boo'd heavy at MSG and wasn't even close to shook.

Yes. I mean, long story short, I wrestled for a HS that sucked at wrestling so I was varsity in my first year. I sure as fuck was never rattled going against kids who wrestled their whole lives. And i'm no T Wood lol an athlete of his calibur who has competed his whole life will be 100% confident vs anyone.

Nate Diaz grew up fighting and walking in Nick's footsteps. He's been competing at a high level since he was basically a kid. Nate has repeatedly said he has a ton of doubts every time he fights and knows there's a chance he's gonna get KTFO'd in front of a lot of eyeballs. His view is that once you face the fact it's a possibility, it's easier to deal with.

Frank Mir said he throws up before fights sometimes due to being nervous about getting beat. He's been a top 10 HW for what, a decade plus?

I don't think any of these guys are 100% confident.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Dude. Your last statement is just false. Why do high level athletes have sports psychologists. U act like these guys are not human.

There are literally a half a dozen fighters ducking GGG(a champion) in boxing.

Seriously, these guys still have doubts. They still doubt themselves.

For different reasons. Bisping to find a balance in emotions, GSP to become more comfortable with his nerves. I never said they aren't human, and its smart to explore the benefits of a sports psychologist, but of course they're confident. Not being confident is some defeatist shit and we're talking championship fight here.

Cause boxing has become more business than sport. But once a guy signs on the dotted line, if you don't find your confidence than you likely lose. But idk what this has to do with T Wood lol

I'm not saying there aren't doubts. You're taking this somewhere different. I'm saying his confidence level is not deterred by the opponent.

 

[SBJJ]

There's degrees. Woodley being "more" confident he'd wreck GSP or Nick doesn't mean he's not confident he'll beat WB. Just means "not as" confident. Which makes sense given where those 3 guys are at in their careers.

Yea. That's basically what I said before this turned into me saying a guy was scared

 

[SBJJ]

Nate Diaz grew up fighting and walking in Nick's footsteps. He's been competing at a high level since he was basically a kid. Nate has repeatedly said he has a ton of doubts every time he fights and knows there's a chance he's gonna get KTFO'd in front of a lot of eyeballs. His view is that once you face the fact it's a possibility, it's easier to deal with.

Frank Mir said he throws up before fights sometimes due to being nervous about getting beat. He's been a top 10 HW for what, a decade plus?

I don't think any of these guys are 100% confident.

Anthony Johnson and many others have said similar things

Special forces dudes train their whole lives to kill enemies. But u think they'd have the same confidence going up against Israeli or Russian Special forces as they would a rag tag group of fighters

 

[Joseph Budden]

There's degrees. Woodley being "more" confident he'd wreck GSP or Nick doesn't mean he's not confident he'll beat WB. Just means "not as" confident. Which makes sense given where those 3 guys are at in their careers.

Yup!! Doesn't mean he's scared. It just shows his confidence level is not as high as usual. And there is nothing wrong with that

There are no degrees, and there is something wrong with having less confidence vs a certain person

Well, I wrestled Varsity at a decent high school, was juicing and still had doubts.

I remember even hoping I got matched up easier at meets. I wasn't scared but I wanted to fucking win not lose

Of course you had doubts. You were a juicer. Thats the ultimate cowardice and isn't going to help your mental game.

 

[Joseph Budden]

Nate Diaz grew up fighting and walking in Nick's footsteps. He's been competing at a high level since he was basically a kid. Nate has repeatedly said he has a ton of doubts every time he fights and knows there's a chance he's gonna get KTFO'd in front of a lot of eyeballs. His view is that once you face the fact it's a possibility, it's easier to deal with.

Frank Mir said he throws up before fights sometimes due to being nervous about getting beat. He's been a top 10 HW for what, a decade plus?

I don't think any of these guys are 100% confident.

doubts are different than confidence.

nerves are different than confidence.

You are talking about things part of the process. Confidence is knowing when its time to fucking go and all the pre comp doubts and nerves are gone, you are going to fucking kill. And its keeping that mindset in training.

 

[SBJJ]

For different reasons. Bisping to find a balance in emotions, GSP to become more comfortable with his nerves. I never said they aren't human, and its smart to explore the benefits of a sports psychologist, but of course they're confident. Not being confident is some defeatist shit and we're talking championship fight here.

Cause boxing has become more business than sport. But once a guy signs on the dotted line, if you don't find your confidence than you likely lose. But idk what this has to do with T Wood lol

I'm not saying there aren't doubts. You're taking this somewhere different. I'm saying his confidence level is not deterred by the opponent.

I kinda feel we are no longer even discussing what I said.

I feel he lacks confidence going into this fight. Just my opinion. I'm not saying he's scared or believes he will lose. I'm saying I believe he has doubts

And I don't believe WB has the same level of doubt

 

[mkess101]

There are no degrees, and there is something wrong with having less confidence vs a certain person


Of course you had doubts. You were a juicer. Thats the ultimate cowardice and isn't going to help your mental game.

What? I'd have much more confidence fighting you than I would fighting Cain Velasquez.

And I'm kind of a badass LOL. (Well, I used to be before I got domesticated. But whatever.)

 

[Joseph Budden]

I kinda feel we are no longer even discussing what I said.

I feel he lacks confidence going into this fight. Just my opinion. I'm not saying he's scared or believes he will lose. I'm saying I believe he has doubts

And I don't believe WB has the same level of doubt

Well if thats what you're saying, than we could say that about every fighter ever. You turned this into doubts and nerves, I tried to explain above what confidence is and how its different.

 

[SBJJ]

Well if thats what you're saying, than we could say that about every fighter ever. You turned this into doubts and nerves, I tried to explain above what confidence is and how its different.

Did u read my post on special forces? U really think a fighters level of confidence stays the same throughout their career

 

[Joseph Budden]

What? I'd have much more confidence fighting you than I would fighting Cain Velasquez.

And I'm kind of a badass LOL. (Well, I used to be before I got domesticated. But whatever.)

yes but we are gambling degenerates, not life long athletes lol

I'm more badass I was the Diaz of wrestling

Spoiler

but you are bigger than me

 

[SBJJ]

Look. Now words are being minced. Just like how lack of confidence turned to being scared.

Moving on. Agree to disagree

 

[Joseph Budden]

Did u read my post on special forces? U really think a fighters level of confidence stays the same throughout their career

Lol it sounds like in a way we are mentally on the same page in one way. You're over there thinking how tf does he think their confidence stays the same, while i'm over here thinking how tf does he think confidence is different depending on who you fight?

 

[mkess101]

doubts are different than confidence.

nerves are different than confidence.

You are talking about things part of the process. Confidence is knowing when its time to fucking go and all the pre comp doubts and nerves are gone, you are going to fucking kill. And its keeping that mindset in training.

Wait but we aren't talking about the second the fight starts. I agree that once the cage door closes Woodley will be just as confident regardless of opponent. But the human mind can't completely shut out things that are totally obvious. Woodley knows that at this point WB is very likely a far superior fighter and bigger challenge than GSP or Nick. Thus, if you hooked him up to a polygraph and asked him "Do you have the same level of confidence you'll beat WB that you would if you were fighting GSP or Nick Diaz" he'd either answer "no" or he'd fail the poly imo.

 

[SBJJ]

There are no degrees, and there is something wrong with having less confidence vs a certain person


Of course you had doubts. You were a juicer. Thats the ultimate cowardice and isn't going to help your mental game.

Lol. The whole team was juicing. I'm old man.

I can also spot a juicer a mile away. And if it's cowardice, then some of the guys u are saying are so confident were some BIG ASS COWARDS