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Opinion Trump's stance on remote work - do Republicans really support this?

A lot of people also suggesting that people waste time in the office too, chatting with their colleagues. These conversations are important as it means the team know what others are doing, what decisions (or positions) have been agreed upon. You should be learning from your team members. With WFH, unless you are having daily long meetings going over every fucking detail nobody really knows what is going on in the team. Those conversations, even when they are not work related are important for building morale and camaraderie.

But I go back to my second sentence. Managing teams is really hard. A lot of the posters in here want to make it even harder for them.

You literally can talk about everything in your paragraph on Microsoft teams (or any other software you'd like to pick) lmao.

You know how we work together inside of the office for my job? Through Microsoft teams. Why? Because it's a hell of a lot easier to share your screen in a teams meeting than having 15 people hoover around your desk or wrangle up everyone in a conference room that you have to schedule for a week or two in advance.

Something comes up? Let's have a teams meeting.

It's wild that you think what you do is applicable to every job in the government lol.

One of the main reasons my job is still remote is because all of the private sector equivalents still offer hybrid remote as a perk at the very least. In the accounting/audit/finance sector, all these firms are figuring out that working remote is a hell of a lot cheaper than making everyone come to a big ass building they are wasting money on.
 
It really will continue to exacerbate wealth divides in my opinion.

In my opinion the people doing the face to face and any sort of remotely physical job deserve more pay than those sitting at home. So hopefully that ends up being a ramification of it.

Also. With ai and outsourcing on the approach, seems theyre just going to make it far easier to be replaced and obsolete
 
I didn't claim that there were no other correlating factors that would affect GDP growth rate. Obviously in economics there's probably thousands if not tens of thousands of factors or more. But to me it's simply common sense, countries that work more will produce more and have better economic results. If you work and produce more you will have more stuff, so the average person will also have more stuff to consume, therefore they will have a better quality of life. Countries that work less will produce less and have less results. Where exactly do you think that logic breaks down and why?

Yeah, it makes sense logically but not empirically. Your logic makes more sense for individuals. If you work 60 hours a week, you'll earn more than if you only work 40.

But countries are way more complex, as we both agree. A quick google shows a pretty clear relation between countries with high standards of living and low hours worked.

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Obviously there's a limit to this. No country is going to work 500 hours a year and produce enough to have a high standard of living. But there have been tons of studies that show that the amount of actual work people do in a regular 8-hour day is very small.

But productivity isn't dropping off so it really seems like technology IS doing its job of making things easier, it's people that are taking long in getting accustomed to changing their practices.
 
It really will continue to exacerbate wealth divides in my opinion.

In my opinion the people doing the face to face and any sort of remotely physical job deserve more pay than those sitting at home. So hopefully that ends up being a ramification of it.

Also. With ai and outsourcing on the approach, seems theyre just going to make it far easier to be replaced and obsolete

Well you have to understand there are a lot of positions where there is not face to face interaction at all. I gave an example earlier of lenders. Look at a company like Rocket Mortgage. You'll never meet your lender, underwriter, loan processor, etc. They'll handle everything on the phone, email, app, esign, etc. Why is it important that they are in the office if all of their communication is not with people in the office? Their underwriter may be in one state, their processor in another, client in a different one, etc. I think people are not realizing that this is how many positions are.

For the record, I do not work from home besides check email. I own the company and prefer to be in the office. Probably 50% of my work can be done from home though. None of my employees are fully work from home, but they have the option based on what they are working on. They typically utilize it some throughout the week. I'd honestly argue that productivity is higher when we are all not in the office as well. Between chatting about kids sports, bitching about files, and other small talk, time gets wasted in office quite a bit more.
 
Elon puts in 50 hours a week at Tesla, 50 at Space X, 50 at Neuralink, 50 at X, and 50 running DOGE plus he spends 100 hours each on D4 and POE2. Not to mention the 2 minutes he spends every week creating new children with his various concubines.

That's over 450 hours a week out of a possible 168 hours. Never question his work ethic.
HE SLEPT ON THE FLOOR!!!

#BOOTSTRAPS
 
It really will continue to exacerbate wealth divides in my opinion.

In my opinion the people doing the face to face and any sort of remotely physical job deserve more pay than those sitting at home. So hopefully that ends up being a ramification of it.

Also. With ai and outsourcing on the approach, seems theyre just going to make it far easier to be replaced and obsolete

It's about supply and demand of skills as it always has been. Doesn't matter whether the person with the skills can work from home or not.
 
First Trump is not "having remote workers return to work". He is telling office based workers that were temporary shifted to remote due to COVID that is long over and they need to return to the office.

It also doesn't sound like you have ever done much meaningful work. Yes things can be done remotely particularly low level grunt tasks, but there is huge value and productivity lost due to working from home.

Interpersonal relationships, collaboration, communication, proximity, etc are extremely important to successfully building complex, broad scope solutions.

Teams meetings don't come anywhere close to replicating hours/days spent in a conference room hashing out designs across every white boarded wall, the hallway chats, the coffee breaks, happy hours, etc. I can understand this may not make sense if all you know is the interwebs, but in real life this stuff matters.
The idea that remote work inherently leads to a loss of productivity and value is outdated and ignores both technological advancements and real-world examples of successful remote collaboration.

1. Interpersonal Relationships and Collaboration:
- These can be built and maintained remotely just as effectively as in-person, especially in a structured and intentional way. Many teams across the world successfully collaborate across different time zones and cultures without ever meeting in person.
- The assumption that in-person interaction automatically leads to better teamwork ignores that remote work can foster deep, asynchronous collaboration that allows for more thoughtful contributions rather than knee-jerk reactions in meetings.

2. Productivity and Focus:
- The idea that remote work is only suitable for "low-level grunt tasks" is completely false. Some of the most high-impact, complex work—such as software development, research, writing, and strategic planning—is often done best when people have uninterrupted focus time, something that's much harder to get in an open office environment.
- Offices are notorious for distractions—random conversations, impromptu meetings, and noise pollution. Remote work allows for deep work, which is critical for complex problem-solving.

3. Proximity and Communication:
- Modern tools (Slack, Miro, Notion, GitHub, Zoom, etc.) enable seamless collaboration without physical presence. The argument assumes that hallway chats and coffee breaks are *necessary* for innovation, but many people find them disruptive rather than productive.
- Companies like GitLab, Automattic, and Basecamp operate fully remotely, producing high-quality, complex work without needing a conference room filled with whiteboards.

4. The Myth of the Conference Room:
- While whiteboarding sessions can be valuable, they are not *inherently* better than virtual collaboration tools. Plenty of design and engineering discussions happen more effectively over tools like Miro, Figma, and Confluence.
- The claim that "Teams meetings don't come anywhere close" is just a subjective preference—some people find in-person meetings stifling and inefficient, while remote work allows for more structured and documented collaboration.

5. Work Is Not About Happy Hours:
- The mention of happy hours and coffee breaks as essential to work success conflates socialization with productivity. Sure, building camaraderie is nice, but forcing everyone into an office for that is outdated. There are plenty of ways to build team culture remotely.

Ultimately, remote work *is* different from in-office work, but it is not inherently less productive or valuable. Many companies thrive in remote-first environments, and people often produce their best work when given autonomy and flexibility. The argument against remote work is often rooted in power and control not the bussines needs
 
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Lol my favorite part about Work From Home threads are the nimrods talking about people stealing time from their employers & supporting forced return to office......as they steal time from work on a week day morning during 9 to 5 to post this on Sherdog.
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Being able to work remote was a huge benefit money & life balance wise. It allowed me to travel while still working. Allowed me to vacation while still working. It allowed me to care for my father with cancer while still working.
It allowed me to not have to spend over a half million dollars on a dream home because I could live further out and save 150k on the same build. It saved gas money. It drastically cut auto insurance. It decreases emissions. It get rids of rush hour and commutes. I was always there for my family in 2 totally different states.

If your team or organization is meeting their quotas and or goals and your team members are getting high performance evaluations you have to be a d sucking, brown nosing, whipping boy, simp to advocate for mass return to office.

Now if your performance or team/org is not doing well, that is a different story. But you would still need real changes and examples to show how returning to office can fix things. Not more generic flavor of the month monkey see monkey do knee jerk nonsense.

Rimote work also benefits those who have to drive to the office as it cuts congestion.

I no longer work remote since 2022 I am needed on site to send documents etc.

But the other departments worked remote until about 2024. Man I am telling you I wish they could just send them back home.

Now it takes me additional time to heat my food at the caffe and the place got messy, Parking slots became limited etc.
 
Rimote work also benefits those who have to drive to the office as it cuts congestion.

I no longer work remote since 2022 I am needed on site to send documents etc.

But the other departments worked remote until about 2024. Man I am telling you I wish they could just send them back home.

Now it takes me additional time to heat my food at the caffe and the place got messy, Parking slots became limited etc.

Shinkan brings up a good point. Going into work also highlights how crappy most cities are built and how parking is a nightmare. This is an issue because in most major cities in America public transportation is not a valid option. If anything I wonder if the reason work from home became an issue is because management is just worse over all?
 

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