Opinion Trump's stance on remote work - do Republicans really support this?

[TankAbbott4Eva]

i work in a team of 7 and one of them really takes the piss, comes in max one day a week "oh it costs me money to come in" and is rarely available when anyone needs her during the day. It really shits everyone, and our boss is in Singapore and we don't want to dob her in.

 

[TeTe]

For security reasons, I support it for any kind of government work that involves data you wouldn't want to fall into the wrong hands. I have a couple of family members who do high security clearance government stuff, and during a family emergency, they were using my room as an office to do remote work, and i assume they were using my normal civilian wifi as well.

If i was a spy in that situation, i could have stolen important info without any computer hackery being involved. I shouldn't even have that opportunity.

Ive also had problems with hacker neighbors in the past gaining full control of our network and computers, so i learned firsthand that nothing wireless is actually secure unless you are in a special room with signal blocking walls and stuff. Even then, you can never allow any outside devices to connect to anything inside the protected area (the network itself, phones, wireless headphones, etc).

They've been doing remote work since covid, and this change has been a major pain in the ass for them, but imo its for the best.

My next door neighbor works for the secret service and has never been able to work from home lol.

 

[TeTe]

Didn't the Biden administration start requiring people to start going into the office too?

 

[TeTe]

I can't work from home and had to show up during the pandemic. Government employees can show up to work and quit whining about it.

I mean it's true. Some people have a weird sense of entitlement when it comes to wfh.

I could work from home but I go into the office 98 percent of the time. I live a whole 6 or 7 minute drive from the office and I enjoy being around my coworkers. Plus I I don't want to commit any of my house into office space. I come home to relax, not work.

 

[Snubnoze707]

I'm able to work from home remotely and I won't pretend like I don't abuse it. Half the time I'm arguing on here I'm doing it on the clock, LOL...

I still go in daily, though. Just not for the full shift.

 

[Kingz]

Probably Musk’s influence here. He hates remote work. I don’t have an opinion on it.

Maybe those people will go back to the Bay Area instead of running up housing and CoL in rural towns now that they have to go back to the office though. So that’s good

 

[pugilistico]

Start your own online business chumps. No need to worry about commutes or bosses.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

i love remote work, allowing you to spend more time with family but don't be surprise if the work can be done entirely remote then companies can just outsource it for cheap.

Now that would be a good time to use tariffs.

 

[Codpiece]

I got no dog in the fight on Trump's opinion on this, but I prefer hybrid. I go into the office 2 days a week and that is ideal. As good as WFH is there are actual drawbacks at some point. I prefer to have at least some face time with my colleagues and a change of scenery is nice every so often. 5 days a week in office can be a slog, but doing it every so often is actually a pick me up for me.

I dig that.

I have a great job and work 100% from home. Since my team is all around the country and my work is regional there’s no purpose in going to the office. But it’s pretty isolated and most of my relationships are through a screen.

Some balance would be nice.

From a productivity POV there’s really nowhere for me to hide if things go tits up, so hard work and focus is unavoidable if I want to stay employed. Some of the marketers don’t seem to do much when they work from home, but all the sales guys all hustle.

 

[Oblivian]

Probably Musk’s influence here. He hates remote work. I don’t have an opinion on it.

Maybe those people will go back to the Bay Area instead of running up housing and CoL in rural towns now that they have to go back to the office though. So that’s good

I didn't know that.

I'm just surprised at the response of a bunch of people cheering this on. This will hit home for some people and really piss them off. I say it reflects more on the employer than anything though. If they are scapegoating going back to office as "well Trump is doing it with federal employees", it shows their general lack of understanding of remote work. Some of them can't even send an email without help though lol.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

More people on the road means more gas being used, more traffic, more accidents, more gridlock, more rental units being rented. This all stimulates the economy. If someone is gonna fuck around, they are gonna fuck around whether they are in the office or not.


It’s just a way of making the middle class work a little harder for their rich bosses.

 

[44nutman]

Probably Musk’s influence here. He hates remote work. I don’t have an opinion on it.

Maybe those people will go back to the Bay Area instead of running up housing and CoL in rural towns now that they have to go back to the office though. So that’s good

Leon lives at the White House and runs his company remotely.
I find it funny people think people in an office don’t waste time. I used to work in a decent sized office in an area with multiple buildings that held multiple different businesses. Each building always at all times of the day had at least 5 people loitering out front. I had one chick in my office that seemed to take a smoke break every half hour religiously.
She was always at someone’s desk with her dragon breathe trying to get you to give money for someone’s birthday or get you to buy overpriced popcorn for one of her kids. I would watch her in amazement of her doing absolutely nothing for 8 hours and have a mixture of being angry and impressed.

 

[Sage NorthGOAT]

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[Possum Jenkins]

The decrease is relatively on pace with other first world countries. I also think Americans tend to choose to work longer hours on average compared to the EU as well. I don't think this is unique to Trump's position on remote work or America's position on working hours.

I do agree with you otherwise that a lot of jobs can be done remotely and don't require 40 hours a week. I just think the standards we've set are relatively global, and in a world of competitive advantage countries that work more will be better off than countries that don't. I also think that is especially true as we move to more technological economies over resource-based economies since there are less limitations to work speed in technology over things like resource extraction or agriculture.

Yeah, it's definitely a global phenomenon, which is why my earlier post brought up the relationship between workers and management. I think it's an inherent feature of capitalist economies.

And I really disagree with the underlined. I think that's a modern, industrial point of view that doesn't fully apply to the post-modern, information economy. I mean, Germany works 400 hours less than us, is currently at the bottom of the list, and is the biggest economy in the EU. If this list had Japan and South Korea, they'd blow everyone away in hours worked, yet they'd be towards the middle or bottom in performance/productivity.

There's definitely a limit to this but we're very far from it.

 

[Scheme]

Yeah, it's definitely a global phenomenon, which is why my earlier post brought up the relationship between workers and management. I think it's an inherent feature of capitalist economies.

And I really disagree with the underlined. I think that's a modern, industrial point of view that doesn't fully apply to the post-modern, information economy. I mean, Germany works 400 hours less than us, is currently at the bottom of the list, and is the biggest economy in the EU. If this list had Japan and South Korea, they'd blow everyone away in hours worked, yet they'd be towards the middle or bottom in performance/productivity.

There's definitely a limit to this but we're very far from it.

Germany's GDP growth rate these past few decades has been really bad. Some of the worst in the EU. Hard to find a graph that shows all the comparative countries in terms of GDP growth rates but I found a couple of sources (you can also ask ChatGPT):

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-confirms-that-there-are-remarkable-differences-among-the-EU-15-countries-in-economic_fig1_46551113

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Also Germany is the biggest economy in Europe mostly because it's the biggest population in Europe. You should care more about per-capita trends in PPP-adjusted GDP (as that is a closer measurement to the average financial health of the average citizen) which lists Germany at 13th:

List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Germany's GDP growth rate these past few decades has been really bad. Some of the worst in the EU. Hard to find a graph that shows all the comparative countries in terms of GDP growth rates but I found a couple of sources (you can also ask ChatGPT):

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-confirms-that-there-are-remarkable-differences-among-the-EU-15-countries-in-economic_fig1_46551113

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Also Germany is the biggest economy in Europe mostly because it's the biggest population in Europe. You should care more about per-capita trends in PPP-adjusted GDP (as that is a closer measurement to the average financial health of the average citizen) which lists Germany at 13th:

List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first two charts end 20+ years ago so they're not truly helpful.

The last few show "growth" so of course large, established economies are going to grow slower than others like Ireland. And the one with Japan (tons of hours worked, negative growth), and Italy (short hours, greater growth) is hard to draw any conclusions from because it's all over the place. Clearly, other factors are at play.

My point is that a clear more hours = more production relationship isn't there.

 

[nixkid]

Leon lives at the White House and runs his company remotely.
I find it funny people think people in an office don’t waste time. I used to work in a decent sized office in an area with multiple buildings that held multiple different businesses. Each building always at all times of the day had at least 5 people loitering out front. I had one chick in my office that seemed to take a smoke break every half hour religiously.
She was always at someone’s desk with her dragon breathe trying to get you to give money for someone’s birthday or get you to buy overpriced popcorn for one of her kids. I would watch her in amazement of her doing absolutely nothing for 8 hours and have a mixture of being angry and impressed.

Elon puts in 50 hours a week at Tesla, 50 at Space X, 50 at Neuralink, 50 at X, and 50 running DOGE plus he spends 100 hours each on D4 and POE2. Not to mention the 2 minutes he spends every week creating new children with his various concubines.

That's over 450 hours a week out of a possible 168 hours. Never question his work ethic.

 

[Gotosleepho]

I think working from home is fine. Republicans need to stop putting money over people honestly.

 

[deviake]

My point is that a clear more hours = more production relationship isn't there.

IIRC studies on productivity back this.

 

[Scheme]

The first two charts end 20+ years ago so they're not truly helpful.

The last few show "growth" so of course large, established economies are going to grow slower than others like Ireland. And the one with Japan (tons of hours worked, negative growth), and Italy (short hours, greater growth) is hard to draw any conclusions from because it's all over the place. Clearly, other factors are at play.

My point is that a clear more hours = more production relationship isn't there.

It is helpful because Germany has been at the bottom of the hours worked since 1992 from my original post, when they were #1 in 1972. Again it's hard to find easily parsable data that compares EU countries but you can correlate that to the first link that shows from 1995 Germany had the lowest growth rate among the countries in that study, or find other sources that shows the same thing over the past few decades.

I would agree with you on the large economies if the largest economies in the world (i.e., America, China) didn't continue to outgrow Germany at such a large pace. I don't think being a large economy is necessarily a limiting factor, especially when you can use the scale of your economy to leverage good trade deals, better technological innovation and poaching the best talent from across the world.

I didn't claim that there were no other correlating factors that would affect GDP growth rate. Obviously in economics there's probably thousands if not tens of thousands of factors or more. But to me it's simply common sense, countries that work more will produce more and have better economic results. If you work and produce more you will have more stuff, so the average person will also have more stuff to consume, therefore they will have a better quality of life. Countries that work less will produce less and have less results. Where exactly do you think that logic breaks down and why?