Opinion Trump's stance on remote work - do Republicans really support this?

gspieler said:
According to source below, about 37% of jobs can be done remotely.

And to your thoughts, I would respond that, as a society, perhaps we can move towards giving workers more freedom in doing their jobs remotely (if possible), instead of doubling down on the 9-5 rat race being the only way one can live their life. Given that workers have become exponentially more productive in recent decades, modern technology allowing for it, I don’t think it unreasonable.
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Exactly. Even before remote work, technological advances have pushed productivity higher and higher. This has even made the 40-hour work week obsolete. Tons of studies showing we could get the same done in far less time.

So we could maintain our current levels of productivity with ~30 hour work week AND remote/hybrid work for many positions. Taking the next step in tech making human lives easier, which has always been the big promise.

Instead, we're going the opposite direction.
 
gspieler said:
According to source below, about 37% of jobs can be done remotely.

And to your thoughts, I would respond that, as a society, perhaps we can move towards giving workers more freedom in doing their jobs remotely (if possible), instead of doubling down on the 9-5 rat race being the only way one can live their life. Given that workers have become exponentially more productive in recent decades, modern technology allowing for it, I don’t think it unreasonable.
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My plan for remote work still sounds like the vest way no matter the persent of people doing it.

You sound like you want work on your terms and believe ypu are entitled to that. That's not how it works but if you can find that good luck to ypu.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Nowhere near 95% of people would need to go and work in an office Sherbro. Pretty much any office work can be done from home and that makes up a very large portion of the economy.
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Then my AI supervisor suggestion sounds like it will work.
 
oldshadow said:
My plan for remote work still sounds like the vest way no matter the persent of people doing it.

You sound like you want work on your terms and believe ypu are entitled to that. That's not how it works but if you can find that good luck to ypu.
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Incorrect. I’m ok with the free market deciding that one. Are you?
 
I think people should have the option, but if you want to get ahead in your career going into the office and getting that visibility is the way to go. Most people just want to work and get the paycheck and get back to entertainment and eating though so they should be able to work from home.
 
gspieler said:
Incorrect. I’m ok with the free market deciding that one. Are you?
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That's what I said if you can find a company to let you work on your terms then go for it.

If companies don't like it they can invest in more AI to replace more office workers. It's going to get interesting as AI advances.
 
Darkavius said:
It's stupid no matter what party wants to end work from home. I've never understood the argument against work from home. I've heard CEO's like Jamie Dimon complaints and they are not valid. Most CEO's and high corporate executives (i.e. Elon Musk) don't work from an office. They work wherever they can. The whole idea of having technology as advanced as it is and still being against work from home just does not make sense especially when you see the cost of things now and traffic in most cities.
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They simply don't tust their employees to do the proper workload from outside the office. I can't for the life of me think of any other logical reason and the reason still sucks
 
I think a lot of people are out of touch with capabilities now. Do you know how many people get a home loan without ever once meeting their loan officer or anyone from that company? This could be a 3-4 month long process on the most important purchase of their life. Some may go to a teller at their local bank and ask about a home loan, and from there, they don't ever meet anyone in the loan process face to face. The originator, underwriter, and processors can all do it remotely.
 
Cartiac said:
Good luck rooting against the success of America. Why don't put your money where your mouth is and short the market?
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I'm not rooting against the success of America. But when tens of millions of people are dumb enough to vote for a fascist shitheel like Trump, then they deserve to suffer the consequences, and I'll enjoy bearing witness to it. I'm of the mind that they're so stupid and sociologically broken that their own personal suffering is literally the only thing that will convince them that they fucked up (and even then I have my doubts).

Oh, and I'm satisfied with just taking all of my money out of the stock market. I'll wait till someone who isn't a blithering retard is in the White House before investing again. You should definitely invest heavily, though.
 
I think there are some positives with remote work, fewer people on the roads, people enjoy working from home often times.

there does seem to be a problem with productivity issues when not working at the office though. Several CEOs have talked about this problem seen from their companies experience. One example that comes to mind is Jamie Dimon.

JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon: 'I'm not against work from home, I'm against where it doesn't work'​


 
Possum Jenkins said:
Exactly. Even before remote work, technological advances have pushed productivity higher and higher. This has even made the 40-hour work week obsolete. Tons of studies showing we could get the same done in far less time.

So we could maintain our current levels of productivity with ~30 hour work week AND remote/hybrid work for many positions. Taking the next step in tech making human lives easier, which has always been the big promise.

Instead, we're going the opposite direction.
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How are we going in the opposite direction? We've historically worked a lot more hours and it has only been steadily decreasing over time since 1870:
ourworldindata.org

Are we working more than ever?

Working hours for the average worker have decreased dramatically over the last 150 years.
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

Remote work is also much higher today than it was pre-COVID-19.
 
heloder said:
I'm not rooting against the success of America. But when tens of millions of people are dumb enough to vote for a fascist shitheel like Trump, then they deserve to suffer the consequences, and I'll enjoy bearing witness to it. I'm of the mind that they're so stupid and sociologically broken that their own personal suffering is literally the only thing that will convince them that they fucked up (and even then I have my doubts).

Oh, and I'm satisfied with just taking all of my money out of the stock market. I'll wait till someone who isn't a blithering retard is in the White House before investing again. You should definitely invest heavily, though.
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No I feel great about it. People like you crying just makes it all the better.
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Grrruuhhh!!! YOU GUYS! GODDAMMIT I HATE TRUMP! I CAN"T STAND IT! I CAN"T HOLD BACK, I NEED TO MAKE ABUNCH OF FUCKING THREADS ABOUT HOW AWFUL HE IS
 
Scheme said:
How are we going in the opposite direction? We've historically worked a lot more hours and it has only been steadily decreasing over time since 1870:
ourworldindata.org

Are we working more than ever?

Working hours for the average worker have decreased dramatically over the last 150 years.
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

Remote work is also much higher today than it was pre-COVID-19.
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Ok, I wasn't trying to take a 150-year view on this, I meant just in the last few years.

But interestingly enough, the biggest decreases in hours worked took place a century ago. According to that chart, Americans worked 1,959 hours a year in 1950. Fast forward to 2016 and it only went down to 1,757! In fact, it was 1,775 hours in 1992.

This is outrageous given the tremendous advances in telecommunications and technology overall in the last decades.

It took a global pandemic to get us to where we should have been 15 years ago (remote work) but instead of continuing or at least maintaining that pace, we're going back to the office for no good reason. That's what I meant by "opposite direction."
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Ok, I wasn't trying to take a 150-year view on this, I meant just in the last few years.

But interestingly enough, the biggest decreases in hours worked took place a century ago. According to that chart, Americans worked 1,959 hours a year in 1950. Fast forward to 2016 and it only went down to 1,757! In fact, it was 1,775 hours in 1992.

This is outrageous given the tremendous advances in telecommunications and technology overall in the last decades.

It took a global pandemic to get us to where we should have been 15 years ago (remote work) but instead of continuing or at least maintaining that pace, we're going back to the office for no good reason. That's what I meant by "opposite direction."
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The decrease is relatively on pace with other first world countries. I also think Americans tend to choose to work longer hours on average compared to the EU as well. I don't think this is unique to Trump's position on remote work or America's position on working hours.

I do agree with you otherwise that a lot of jobs can be done remotely and don't require 40 hours a week. I just think the standards we've set are relatively global, and in a world of competitive advantage countries that work more will be better off than countries that don't. I also think that is especially true as we move to more technological economies over resource-based economies since there are less limitations to work speed in technology over things like resource extraction or agriculture.
 
GergreG said:
It is easier to spot bludgers in the office than those WFH. Managing staff is hard. It's even harder when you cannot see what they are or are not doing. I walk out of my office and in ten seconds I can scan the room and see who is bludging.
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Not really. There is plenty of bossware out there that allows managers to remotely spy and monitor productivity even when employees are working from home.
 
i love remote work, allowing you to spend more time with family but don't be surprise if the work can be done entirely remote then companies can just outsource it for cheap.
 
It’s not that baffling of a stance. He’s an authoritarian. They want direct supervision over everyone and as much control over people as they can get.

I’m not saying working from home is better or anything. I’m just saying that I could have told you his position on it before he ever opened his mouth
 
D3thr0n3d K1ng said:
Not really. There is plenty of bossware out there that allows managers to remotely spy and monitor productivity even when employees are working from home.
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Like I said before. Managing staff is difficult. But you tell me as I've never seen any bossware. Is it easier for me to stick my head out of my office periodically for 10 seconds or get the data, analyse the data and form conclusions?

A lot of people also suggesting that people waste time in the office too, chatting with their colleagues. These conversations are important as it means the team know what others are doing, what decisions (or positions) have been agreed upon. You should be learning from your team members. With WFH, unless you are having daily long meetings going over every fucking detail nobody really knows what is going on in the team. Those conversations, even when they are not work related are important for building morale and camaraderie.

But I go back to my second sentence. Managing teams is really hard. A lot of the posters in here want to make it even harder for them.
 
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