Law Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants Shouldn’t Get Trials Before Deportation

[panamaican]

Lol, yeah, hardly a surprise that you have no response because you didn't know how immigration works.



Of course they have record of who's here legally, the whole point of pretending you need 20 million "trials" to find out if someone's here illegally is that it isn't possible, which means anybody in the world who comes here just gets to stay.

Obviously "due process" doesn't mean you need a trial to take illegal residency away from noncitizens who never had a right to it in the first place. Due process is for taking away your natural rights of life, liberty and property, ie a criminal trial before executing you or sentencing you to federal prison, not taking away the imaginary "right" of foreign nationals to squat here, which of course they specifically don't have a right to.

The constitution gives congress the power to set immigration standards, and the executive to carry them out, and the immigration agencies generally do give hearings t order deportation, but it's not required, and immigration officials can also order expedited removal with no hearing.

If you are a citizen and get deported, then you can sue the government and that could have a trial, but even that probably wouldn't and would be settled without trial.

No, due process is for any action the government takes against an individual, not just a citizen and not just criminal activity.

Any time the government is going to act against an individual, the government has to follow due process to show that the government is not acting arbitrarily. It is a restriction on the government, not something that we get. When people sue for breach of due process, it's a lawsuit stating that the government isn't following rules to ensure that the government acts fairly.

It's mind-blowing that people don't understand this.

The reason due process applies to deportation is because deportation is a government action. The government is choosing to do something to individuals. It doesn't matter who the individuals are, once the government is deciding to act against an individual, the government must do so in a fair way.

And a cornerstone of due process is that the individual has the right to respond to the government and be heard before the government acts against the individual. Again, this to ensure that the government follows rules -- the whole "nation of laws" thing.

So, if the government is acting against an individual, that individual is entitled to know why and be given the opportunity to defend themselves from that action. Not because we're giving individuals due process but because we are restricting arbitrary government action.

And every time people argue that X and Y groups of people don't deserve due process they're showcasing that they don't really understand why due process exists in the 1st place.

 

[Rod1]

Does the government not have a record of every legal citizen ? Should be super easy, barely an inconvenience, to figure that out.

Its funny how MAGAs are so deep in their echo chamber that they forget to turn on their masks when talking to regular people.

You kind of forgot the "im only against illegal immigrants" mask before speaking man.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The crazy thing is that his list is also pretty common for anyone who wants to live off the grid and minimize government interaction.

working on jobsite with 20 other illegals, living with known illegals, constantly using fake names, and avoiding interactions with authorities, community, neighbors for no reason are all protected by the constitution. Same with not having a drivers license or any form of Id on you.

 

[panamaican]

Yes it would require investigation, that is what ICE is for.

Does the government not have a record of every legal citizen ? Should be super easy, barely an inconvenience, to figure that out.

The government should have definitive proof you aren't a citizen, what im saying is that should be relatively easy to prove one way or the other from either side. I don't think long trials costing tax payers millions is warranted

Yes, it is super easy. That's what deportation hearings are for. To prove that the person in question is here illegally. Deportation hearings are not long trials. They're hearings, not even full blown trials. They move faster, relaxed rules of evidence, no right to a jury, etc. The shit is simple...so long as you hire enough judges to handle the hearings.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Yes, it is super easy. That's what deportation hearings are for. To prove that the person in question is here illegally. Deportation hearings are not long trials. They're hearings, not even full blown trials. They move faster, relaxed rules of evidence, no right to a jury, etc. The shit is simple...so long as you hire enough judges to handle the hearings.

And of course, Trump is currently firing judges

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I didn't think illegal immigrants cared much for proper legal processes

- You got a point!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

trump and his supporters telling us they do not care about HUMAN rights or the due process which among other things protects citizens from molestation by the state.


if this goes bad his own supporters are going to deeply regret what they stupidly supported.

- This is taught as a chair in a Foreign Affairs vourse. In my school was under International Laws. But schools are a scam!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Medicaid, snap, government assistance programs in general. Take your pick. undocumented immigrants pay a lot of taxes that go into these programs, but they do not profit from them. If you guys are worried about how to pay for their immigration court hearings, just give them back some of their taxes that they pay yearly.

- The moment any person buys something in a legal store, they're paying taxes. Even the Joker pays taxes.

 

[King Joffery]

Yeah why cant we just shoot any humans we dont know who dare approach us!?

Well the end result is Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe. I'd definitely rather go to an Christmas fair in Poland than Germany, that's for sure.

 

[nostradumbass]

No, due process is for any action the government takes against an individual, not just a citizen and not just criminal activity.

Any time the government is going to act against an individual, the government has to follow due process to show that the government is not acting arbitrarily. It is a restriction on the government, not something that we get. When people sue for breach of due process, it's a lawsuit stating that the government isn't following rules to ensure that the government acts fairly.

It's mind-blowing that people don't understand this.

The reason due process applies to deportation is because deportation is a government action. The government is choosing to do something to individuals. It doesn't matter who the individuals are, once the government is deciding to act against an individual, the government must do so in a fair way.

And a cornerstone of due process is that the individual has the right to respond to the government and be heard before the government acts against the individual. Again, this to ensure that the government follows rules -- the whole "nation of laws" thing.

So, if the government is acting against an individual, that individual is entitled to know why and be given the opportunity to defend themselves from that action. Not because we're giving individuals due process but because we are restricting arbitrary government action.

And every time people argue that X and Y groups of people don't deserve due process they're showcasing that they don't really understand why due process exists in the 1st place.

Well that's certainly not true. There are lots of actions the government takes against individuals that are action first, and are up to the person to dispute after.

Almost every drivers' license suspension is given before a trial. If you get pulled over and the cop suspects you of DUI, they impound your car, suspend your license, and take you to jail. You're given a date for the criminal penalty, but not for impounding your car or suspending your license, which happen on the spot

Almost every person in here crying about illegals' had 0 problem with the government taking all kind of kinds of actions against people without due process during covid, from shutting down their business, to forcing them out of work, to arrests for going to the beach. No crocodile tears from any of you because apparently you were all saving them for gang member illegals.

If an illegal gets deported, they can certainly dispute it and try to come back in legally, and there's no shortage of lib lawyers who will pretend it's pro bono when they're just taking the money from Soros or some other open borders NGO.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

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- I really liked the Sly movie better. Armand Assante was so good, and the city and car designs was beautyful. Would put the city design on par with Gotham city from Batman Forever.

 

[Andy Capp]

working on jobsite with 20 other illegals

living with known illegals

constantly using fake names

avoiding interactions with authorities, community, neighbors for no reason

not having a drivers license or any form of Id

How do they find out the person has no form of ID? How do they determine you're using a fake name? If the people you're living with are "known illegals', why aren't the "known illegals" being rounded up?

AND LMAO ROFL @ avoiding interactions with authorities, community, neighbors for no reason--who in the actual fuck gets to decide if there's a reason or not? Honest to tapdancing Jesus fucking Christ.

So, yeah. Racial profiling is not reasonable grounds for suspicion. Please tell me you're trolling with this ridiculous bullshit.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Real simple. You can't trust the government when they're funding infrastructure projects or schools or healthcare or when they're regulating the energy industry.

You can absolutely trust the government when they're punishing people I don't like: the illegals, ghetto black people, "thugs," the mainstream media, academics, etc.

Fascists gonna fash

At first I couldn’t even detect the sarcasm. Because that’s how fucking stupid they are.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I feel bad now. That was mean.

I realize that many Trump voters maybe just weren’t very tuned into politics. Not everyone has the time.

But if you voted for him, and you’re defending the extrajudicial rendition of legal immigrants to a prison in El Salvador, without due process, then fuck you.

 

[Sinister]

Well the end result is Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe. I'd definitely rather go to an Christmas fair in Poland than Germany, that's for sure.

Bro I REALLY dont give a f*ck if you feel comfortable among racists.

 

[Kingz]

It should happen for anybody sent to CECOT. It’s prison and it’s indefinite, so don’t have an issue with some sort of trial which is sure to be less than what they would get if they were faced with being imprisoned here.

I’ve read nothing of all deportations being blocked in this way. Most of the 113K+ deportations since Jan 20 have been regular deportations. We’re talking about a few hundred here.

Obviously if hundreds of thousands ready to deport migrants were being blocked so we could spend years determining if they are actually illegal than that would be an issue but that’s not what’s happening from what I see

I suppose we need more immigration judges but before anybody goes touting the “bipartisan”Lankford surrender..

it absolutely matters who is in charge when it comes time to hire immigration judges.

If that deal passed last year then Mayorkas and Biden go ape hiring a bunch of ACLU cucks to rubber stamp green cards and deferments. So that deal was then and still is shit even beyond the embedding of high permissible numbers of encounters and the sanctuary city bail outs.

 

[King Joffery]

Bro I REALLY dont give a f*ck if you feel comfortable among racists.

Ah the old race card, do you ever get tired of playing that?

Labeling a whole country as racist is extremely bigoted of you, the ironing is delicious.

 

[Lycandroid]

How do they find out the person has no form of ID? How do they determine you're using a fake name? If the people you're living with are "known illegals', why aren't the "known illegals" being rounded up?

AND LMAO ROFL @ avoiding interactions with authorities, community, neighbors for no reason--who in the actual fuck gets to decide if there's a reason or not? Honest to tapdancing Jesus fucking Christ.

So, yeah. Racial profiling is not reasonable grounds for suspicion. Please tell me you're trolling with this ridiculous bullshit.

All of those point to someone who is trying to live outside the system, so from the perspective of somebody trying to find illegal immigrants what would you do ?

Don't say let them stay at your house to fuck your wife, I mean from the perspective of someone who doesn't fall down and present their ass to illegal immigrants at every turn.

 

[ShadowRun]

Ah the old race card, do you ever get tired of playing that?

Labeling a whole country as racist is extremely bigoted of you, the ironing is delicious.

He is definitely projecting, he is a confirmed racist. That is why he spits that out, like that.

 

[ShadowRun]