Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

[LangfordBarrow]

I tried agreeing to disagree, but you don't want to let it go. Sammy Gravano personally admitted involvement in at least 17 murders and he was given a deal as long as he testified against John Gotti. You're insulting your own intelligence pretending these things don't happen.


I knew you wouldn't have an answer. Concession accepted.


Abso-fucking-lutely.

Except it wasn't Gotti that could give him a deal. That makes a big difference right? If Gotti was in charge the deal he'd give Gravano would be to cover his ass.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

No Im a conservative I know shes a piece of shit and no telling what her motives are or what's true from that. That's not the point. Had she pointed finger at Trump however dems and especially progressives would be falling all over selves how it had to be true because of this that and the other thing they conjured up......... but she says Trump did nothing and was barely an aquientance and so big deal she's just lying saying whatever. The double standard is the issue I have Maxwell is human trash.

Was barely an acquaintance?

 

[Limbo Pete]

No Im a conservative I know shes a piece of shit and no telling what her motives are or what's true from that. That's not the point. Had she pointed finger at Trump however dems and especially progressives would be falling all over selves how it had to be true because of this that and the other thing they conjured up......... but she says Trump did nothing and was barely an aquientance and so big deal she's just lying saying whatever. The double standard is the issue I have Maxwell is human trash.

Nobody should be talking to her at all lol. She's a convicted child predator that oughtta rot for life. She couldn't defend herself at her own trial, she lied and perjured. Nothing she says about anyone or anything is credible, certainly not regarding the one guy holding the keys to her freedom. And now her condition has been significantly improved as a reward for... what, exactly?

 

[heloder]

It's a mix of willful ignorance, gaslighting, and their own psychosis.

I'm leaving room for some of them actually being genuine Epstein Enthusiasts as well. We know at this point that every accusation is a confession, and nobody has spent more time over the last decade accusing the other side of being groomers and sex traffickers than MAGA.

Their behavior during this entire scandal should raise some serious alarms with all we've seen.

 

[HOLA]

No Im a conservative I know shes a piece of shit and no telling what her motives are or what's true from that. That's not the point. Had she pointed finger at Trump however dems and especially progressives would be falling all over selves how it had to be true because of this that and the other thing they conjured up......... but she says Trump did nothing and was barely an aquientance and so big deal she's just lying saying whatever. The double standard is the issue I have Maxwell is human trash.

That's not a double standard, because it never happened, and essentially nobody thought it could. This is the same thing as those "Trump could cure cancer and liberals would still hate him!" posts. Instead of worrying about how Trump is treated or liberals would act in an implausible hypothetical, why don't you try focusing on what's taking place in reality?

 

[Streeter]

You're so cooked you're complaining about a double standard that you just made up in your own head.

So had she pointed at Trump saying Trump did sketchy shit your saying it wouldn't be the biggest story in the media and basically better than Christmas for the left. . You're one in denial - of reality but I get it you got alot of practice there.

 

[HOLA]

libruls did something bad in my imagination, so it's OK for me to act like a degenerate in reality!

 

[Streeter]

That's not a double standard, because it never happened, and essentially nobody thought it could. This is the same thing as those "Trump could cure cancer and liberals would still hate him!" posts. Instead of worrying about how Trump is treated or liberals would act in an implausible hypothetical, why don't you try focusing on what's taking place in reality?

Bullshit. You know damn well if she pointed at Trump this would be an entirely different narrative and spin by the left. Its no where nearca what if its a what would.

 

[jefferz]

Ooh or maybe a retired drug dog

Shit, Bob isn’t doing anything since he retired. He has a good sense of character. Maybe we can get him to swing by, see what he has to say.

 

[ShadowRun]

Mate, this isn't true. The judge does not have the authority to unseal grand jury indictments. The trump administration knew this, and made an impossible request they knew would be denied.

For gods sake man, he's the fucking President. He's in charge of the entire Department of Justice and all Federal Law Enforcement Agencies. He could stand on a podium tomorrow and show the world everything the government has on file or order the heads of any of those departments, or the Attorney General, to tell us everything. But instead he's convinced you that a single liberal judge is somehow shutting this all down, and that trump is desperately trying to get out the truth?

There is no way they should be able to play y'all this easy.

Is this true ?

In federal cases, the court applies the Douglas Oil standard, requiring a showing of particularized need and that the material is necessary to avoid injustice.

Like in New York: Under New York Criminal Procedure Law § 190.25, grand jury proceedings are secret, but a court may order disclosure of grand jury materials, including indictments, upon a showing of compelling need or in the interest of justice??

 

[HOLA]

I'm leaving room for some of them actually being genuine Epstein Enthusiasts as well. We know at this point that every accusation is a confession, and nobody has spent more time over the last decade accusing the other side of being groomers and sex traffickers than MAGA.

Their behavior during this entire scandal should raise some serious alarms with all we've seen.

The dude who tried to get "Trump Derangement Syndrome" listed as an actual mental disorder was arrested for soliciting a minor for sex during a sting operation. LMAO you can't make this shit up.

And these insults, the "cuck" and "PDF file" insults, come straight from Russian bots. Remember Alexander Litvinenko? They gave him a nice polonium-210 tea that killed him in 2006. In his books he wrote that Vladimir Putin was a PDF file.

MAGA gives Biden shit for "sniffing" kids, but their hero Putin lifts boys' shirts up and kisses them on their stomach!

 

[DoctorTaco]

I'm leaving room for some of them actually being genuine Epstein Enthusiasts as well. We know at this point that every accusation is a confession, and nobody has spent more time over the last decade accusing the other side of being groomers and sex traffickers than MAGA.

Their behavior during this entire scandal should raise some serious alarms with all we've seen.

I predict if it comes out that Trump banged minors there will be characters on the right firing off whataboutisms, victim blaming, and “it was a different time back then” bullshit.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Bullshit. You know damn well if she pointed at Trump this would be an entirely different narrative and spin by the left. Its no where nearca what if its a what would.

Trump is the only one that could get her a deal and it looks like she got a transfer to a cushy prison without incriminating anyone. Do you seriously think there's any chance she'd implicate Trump?

 

[Confucamus]

Except it wasn't Gotti that could give him a deal. That makes a big difference right? If Gotti was in charge the deal he'd give Gravano would be to cover his ass.

No, kflo was contending that it's unrealistic for a sweetheart deal to be given to somebody who has committed horrible crimes just to take down one person, therefore the Democrats would have never used her to get Trump. Gravano getting a deal to help take down Gotti wasn't the first or the last time it happened either.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Is this true ?

In federal cases, the court applies the Douglas Oil standard, requiring a showing of particularized need and that the material is necessary to avoid injustice.

Like in New York: Under New York Criminal Procedure Law § 190.25, grand jury proceedings are secret, but a court may order disclosure of grand jury materials, including indictments, upon a showing of compelling need or in the interest of justice??

What's the compelling need here when this has already been investigated and Trump can release the files from that investigation?

 

[Streeter]

Trump is the only one that could get her a deal and it looks like she got a transfer to a cushy prison without incriminating anyone. Do you seriously think there's any chance she'd implicate Trump?

Do you seriously think the left narrative and spin wouldn't be 180 drastically different had she of implicated Trump?

Maxwell would say anything to save her ass no shit.

 

[kflo]

I tried agreeing to disagree, but you don't want to let it go. Sammy Gravano personally admitted involvement in at least 17 murders and he was given a deal as long as he testified against John Gotti. You're insulting your own intelligence pretending these things don't happen.


I knew you wouldn't have an answer. Concession accepted.


Abso-fucking-lutely.

You realize gotti was the kingpin?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

No, kflo was contending that it's unrealistic for a sweetheart deal to be given to somebody who has committed horrible crimes just to take down one person, therefore the Democrats would have never used her to get Trump. Gravano getting a deal to help take down Gotti wasn't the first or the last time it happened either.

Okay, I see, but she was transferred to a cushy prison without implicating anyone at all. Seemingly only for putting distance between Trump and Epstein.

 

[Confucamus]

You realize gotti was the kingpin?

Bingo.

 

[HOLA]

I predict if it comes out that Trump banged minors there will be characters on the right firing off whataboutisms, victim blaming, and “it was a different time back then” bullshit.

"Well technically that's Ephebophilia, not Peter Filia. And biologically, that's when females are their most fertile. Trump is an alpha male, so he instinctively understands this. Liberals don't even know what a female is. They can't define it. And really, all those guys from the 70's like Led Zeppelin banged underage girls, all those counterculture guys, and liberals love them, so really, what's the big deal? And I really don't even like Trump, yeah he's vulgar, but I support his policies."