Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

Do you believe Trump is in the Epstein List?

  • Yes, absolutely.

    Votes: 259 57.8%
  • Yes, probably.

    Votes: 125 27.9%
  • No, he's not on the list.

    Votes: 28 6.3%
  • No, there is no list. So of course he's not on it.

    Votes: 18 4.0%
  • I'm on the fence.

    Votes: 18 4.0%

  • Total voters
    448
We are now being fed the belief that Trump was lying the whole time about a non existent list. Not buying that at all. Powerful people from both sides of the aisle are being protected.

Look at the case of Virginia Giuffre. The underage girl that Prince Andrew abused.

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She previously posted that she would never kill herself and if something happens to her, then help protect her family.

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Then she does this bizarre post detailing almost dying in a car crash.




Then a week later she mysteriously kills herself? Shit is fishy as hell. Why TF is everyone that has info on this killing themselves?
 
I don't think he kept anything. I think his handlers with the CIA / Mossad did all the dirty work.
What you think is not credible. Just based off these facts.
You thought a man accused of :
-dozens of sexual assaults,
-who spoke multiple times of sexually assaulting women
-who was best friends with convicted sex offender Epstein
-who was on Epstein's plane,
-who openly told the world his friend Epstein liked girls extremely young,
-A filth monger who paid hookers and porn stars to lay with him
-A dude who defended Maxwell and said she was a good person after the charges. - A dude that cheated on all his wives.
- A dude who sexually talked about both his daughter's multiple times.

You literally thought that a walking sexual deviant red flag was going to expose Epstein. lol 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆
Even if thats true it means MAGATARDS were the dumbest must gullible among us.

Then as Trump destroys the cost of goods & our credit with his horrific trade war plus funding Israel to attack 3 countries in 3 wars at the same time.
While getting embarrassed by Russia & Putin in another war he swore he would end half a year ago. You sacrifice your dignity, humanity, the children to muster that "Trumps still doing a good job."
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

Dude, what you think doesn't matter. You proved yourself wrong, partisan, & brainwashed every fkn step of the way.

You & cottage cheese are in a dead tie for dumbest most embarrassing poster of all time.
 
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I don't think you're seeing that. What do you mean, by dumb take?

People are pissed off at Trump specifically because he directly campaigned on this thing, and whipped everyone into a lather about it. Also, there isn't a public figure who was MORE closely tied to Epstein than was Trump. They really did seem not just like associates but good buddies. Finally, Trump just gaslights everyone about these supposed Epstein files. They don't exist, but they do exist as a hoax started by the Democrats, but its not a hoax because MAxwell is in prison, but it is a hoax because, just shut up and forget about it.

I think it's totally reasonable to have disdain for the democrats and republicans about this - I have disdain for the Democrats and Republicans both that supercedes and preceeds the Epstein affair. Politicians are vampiric sociopaths, generally. In this case, there's a much larger story than the fact that many people of different political stripes seem to have been involved with Epstein. The Trump storyline on this is truly bonkers. It makes sense that people are talking more about the one guy who was Epstein's best buddy, who campagined on releasing the files, who then started just gaslighting everyone that there was no files.

Calling this TDS, or saying that people who call this out have a dumb take is totally missing the whole point.
I certainly don't believe there is a neat and tidy list, but I'm going to call you out on your last few posts because you are painting this "both sides" picture that is a little simplistic. @MrShady, this is for you as well, since you have quite a few posts regarding same.

First, I've had my fair share of arguments with people who ridicule "both sides" claims, which I've been accused of promoting. The problem is there is no nuance in either side of the "both sides" positions presented here.

Democrats and Republicans absolutely share a subset of shared interests that supersede partisan politics (legalized bribery AKA lobbying, Wall Street, the MIC, Zionism, etc), however, that does not mean that they are 100% the same.

For the last 50 years, Republicans have had one overarching policy and one policy only - some form of trickle down, or supply side economics - which was ushered in by Reagan, and continues to this day. That's it. Full stop.

The Democrats, on the other hand, at the very least, do throw the commoner a bone every now and then. Biden had the Chips and Science Act, the Infrastructure initiatives, Inflation Reduction Act, etc. Those were all things that helped improve the lives of regular Americans. Trump is doing the exact opposite, generally making people's lives worse in favor of giving his billionaire buddies tax breaks. And just wait until the latter half of this year when all of the already-shipped-stock starts running out and prices start to skyrocket. No democrat (or republican for that matter), have ever been as uniquely bad as Trump.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a Democrat. In fact, an argument could be made that the reason the US has only a 2 party system, was to retain control. The founding fathers were very aware and concerned with the possibility that regular people could vote the aristocrats out of their land/property (also why property rights were a cornerstone of America's foundation), or start a revolution and do the same. In America, as a child you are taught this wonderful altruism that America's government was shaped with the idea that "tyranny of the majority" must be prevented at all costs. It had nothing to do with protecting the little guy however, as most people think, it had to do with protecting wealthy landowners (the minority), from the masses (the majority).

This is why we have an electoral college and do not directly vote for the President. It is also why we have "checks and balances". While checks and balances can be a positive practice, it also has a flip side - it insures that any unwelcome, rogue policy proposal (such as taxing the wealthy in proportion to the amount of wealth they control) can be manipulated.

Last, you state above that the Epstein "list" was started as a hoax by Democrats. I've never heard of that before, you have a source on that?
 
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Already did. You're just another closeted MAGA goober whos obsessed with trans women for some reason.

Just come out like Mr Holmes and I Am Legion did. No one is buying your bs.

Yep you got me. I think the whole trans ideology movement is retarded and evil.

That means I must be MAGA.

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What you think is not credible. Just based off these facts.
You thought a man accused of :
-dozens of sexual assaults,
-who spoke multiple times of sexually assaulting women
-who was best friends with convicted sex offender Epstein
-who was on Epstein's plane,
-who openly told the world his friend Epstein liked girls extremely young,
-A filth monger who paid hookers and porn stars to lay with him
-A dude who defended Maxwell and said she was a good person after the charges. - A dude that cheated on all his wives.
- A dude who sexually talked about both his daughter's multiple times.

You literally thought that a walking sexual deviant red flag was going to expose Epstein. lol 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆
Even if thats true it means MAGATARDS were the dumbest must gullible among us.

Then as Trump destroys the cost of goods & out credit with his horrific trade war plus funding Israel to attack 3 countries in 3 wars at the same time.
While getting embarrassed by Russia & Putin in another war he swore he would end half a year ago. You sacrifice your dignity, humanity, the children to muster that "Trumps still doing a good job."
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

Dude, what you think doesn't matter. You proved yourself wrong, partisan, & brainwashed every fkn step of the way.

You & cottage cheese are in a dead tie for dumbest most embarrassing poster of all time.

You're an idiot.
 
I certainly don't believe there is a neat and tidy list

Epstein probably didn't keep a neat and tidy list himself, but creating a list of suspected criminal collaborators would absolutely be one first things the FBI did when they started investigating his crimes.
 
It is indeed conjecture, and everyone (yes, even trump) deserves to be assumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is conjecture to say trump is on the list, but it’s not wild.

1. They partied together for years and years.

2. Trumps infamous “he likes them young” quote

3. Trump and his buddies hosted private, invite only parties with underage girls on his yacht under the guise of being “talent scouts” for a modeling agency during the same period he and Epstein were partying together

4. Maxwell was preying on victims at mars a lago
5. He’s on the Epstein flight logs 7 times.

6. There was a civil lawsuit against trump for rapping (hip hop!) with a 13 year old. (The young woman rescinded the lawsuit after threats to her life were made.

7. Trump banned Epstein from mars a lago. Why? Bc he’s a predator? Ok cool, good move. But maybe do more like bust him, turn him in, cooperate with the feds? Seems fishy.

8. Trump doesn’t want to release the list

9. He is sort of but definitely is panicking and spiraling about it.


Im the first to admit there has yet to be definitive proof of any fire, but that is a loooot of smoke.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Trump didn't ban Epstein from MAL for being a predator. When did their falling out over the property happen and when was Epstein banned? I bet those dates happen close together.
 
Epstein probably didn't keep a neat and tidy list himself, but creating a list of suspected criminal collaborators would absolutely be one first things the FBI did when they started investigating his crimes.

Sure, I could agree with that.
 
It was clearly a blackmail operation, so there would be receipts. My guess is Trump thought he could clean up the list and remove himself and his friends but Isreal told him couldn't do that.
Yeah but there’s gotta be flight logs even if we can’t get the receipts. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a blackmail operation at all. Also wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is on it. Even if not, he’s a pos for letting people get away with it even if he didn’t partake.

Wouldn’t surprise me if half the government is on that list along with a lot of Fortune 500 guys.

Let’s say it’s a blackmail operation. The CIA has been caught doing all sorts of horrible things. If it’s Mossad, then it makes sense. Our government seems to serve Israel over the American people.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Trump didn't ban Epstein from MAL for being a predator. When did their falling out over the property happen and when was Epstein banned? I bet those dates happen close together.

Epstein and Trump were friends for years because they saw each other frequently at high-society parties in Florida and New York. Politicians, actors, financiers, movie industry people like directors, etc.

In November 2004, the two ended up competing to buy a Florida estate out of a bankruptcy. Mr. Trump ultimately outbid Mr. Epstein for the property.

There is little public record of the two men interacting after that real estate battle. Mr. Trump sold the property four years later to a Russian businessman, getting more than double what he paid for it.

Then in 2007, multiple sources, including the Miami Herald and CNBC, report that Epstein's account at Mar-a-Lago was closed in October 2007. These reports suggest the ban followed an incident where Epstein harassed the teenage daughter of a club member.

Then in July 2019, Trump told his former aide, Sam Nunberg, that he had banned Epstein because he was a "creep" and had recruited a young woman who worked at Mar-a-Lago to give him massages.
 
Sure. Go post about the pigs but why talk about politics when dont even have a political position?
It's like saying I hate reading and then joining a book club. Its absurd.
And no Im not licking Macky's privet parts, me and you have unfinished business. Either explain in detail what you're on about or just admit you are a MAGAnut.

Ooh, unfinished business sounds so scary. As I have told many others, I am not a political. I have stances on every issue, but there hasn’t been a candidate that espouses enough of them that I feel comfortable voting for them. I have conservative leanings when it comes to gun control yet I am pro choice and lean liberal when it comes to mental illness, homelessness, and drug addiction. Good luck proving I am maga, twat.
 
You're an embarrassment to America & a boot licker to another man.
Like the entire forum has told you look in the mirror & stop talking.

No. Only the Left Cult weirdos like you have babbled with no content begging me to stop sharing skepticism and common sense. It's pathetic to watch you try and demand someone "stop talking". lol

You're a tool and your whole world knows it. No one likes you except other tools.
 
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