International Trump/Putin Summit

[PolishHeadlock]

Real men are willing to risk something, no matter how small, to stand behind their beliefs.

Little boys like to fill up space on a karate forum pushing their wacko uninformed conspiracy theories.




If only we knew why Trump was being so much harder on Russia than Obama.

• About 200 Russians were killed in Trump's airstrikes in Syria (April 2017)
• Trump has armed Ukraine with Javelin missile complexes (Obama refused), and Russia issued an angry denunciation in response. (December 2017)
• Trump's Treasury Department sanctioned seven Russian oligarchs, 12 companies they controlled and 17 senior Russian officials (April 2018)

That's only a small sample. It's easy to buy into nutjob conspiracy theories when you willingly ignore evidence.

Lol you're still trotting this out after you got exposed yesterday

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Lol you're still trotting this out after you got exposed yesterday

Trump stained the dress

 

[Johnny Alpha]

You know these supposed hackers all live in Russia, there will be no trial. Who can say they're guilty when there is no trial.

 

[Gandhi]

That looks like a tweet.

This was a conversation about what was said at the summit. Don't be deceptive.

I asked you who he blamed for the bad relations. You said you did not see him blaming any one.

I get that you want to pretend that the answer should only inlcude comments made right after and during the meeting rather than just before, and given how his “woulds” become “wouldn’ts” in a 24 hour time frame, I can understand your desire to cherry pick.

You will have to forgive me if I don’t subscribe to that logic.

 

[waiguoren]

One thing that confuses me all over this forum, on a wide variety of subjects, is how anyone NOT involved in an investigation, who hasn't seen any evidence, thinks they are more informed than those tasked with the investigation.

Funny because Mueller hasn't said anything that @Gervais did in his post.

I think you've jumped the gun again.

 

[waiguoren]

No I asked you who he blamed for the bad relations. You said you did not see him blaming any one.

I get that you want to pretend that the answer should only inlcude comments made right after and during the meeting rather than just before, and given how his “woulds” become “wouldn’ts” in a 24 hour time frame, I can understand your desire to cherry pick. You have to forgive if I don’t subscribe to that logic.

This started because some guy was saying that Trump gave Putin a metaphorical blowjob at the summit.

I disagreed, and noted that at the summit Trump said US-Russia relations have never been worse.

Then you started bringing extra-summit material into the conversation, as if it's relevant to the original conversation.

 

[waiguoren]

Lol you're still trotting this out after you got exposed yesterday

How did I get exposed?

 

[Rational Poster]

I have been saying this from the start.

The NSA and CIA know exactly what happened. They've always known. Russia knows we know. We know Russia knows we know.

But to protect our assets and/or capabilities, they're not going to just come out and say it.

 

[Rational Poster]

This started because some guy was saying that Trump gave Putin a metaphorical blowjob at the summit.

I disagreed, and noted that at the summit Trump said US-Russia relations have never been worse.

Then you started bringing extra-summit material into the conversation, as if it's relevant to the original conversation.

Did you hear that whole sentence?

It was something like,

"US-Russia relations have never been worse, but now today they're much, much better."

 

[waiguoren]

Did you hear that whole sentence?

It was something like,

"US-Russia relations have never been worse, but now today they're much, much better."

Yeah he said "that changed about four hours ago".

 

[Pupi]

I have been saying this from the start.

The NSA and CIA know exactly what happened. They've always known. Russia knows we know. We know Russia knows we know.

But to protect our assets and/or capabilities, they're not going to just come out and say it.

It would be shameful to admit that we got played like a fiddle by Russia. Not only that, admitting it and making a plan to counter in an appropriate manner is very dangerous, but there is a positive aspect to it: having a solid foreign enemy would most likely unify this country and our domestic policies interests.

 

[mixmastermo]

I have been saying this from the start.

The NSA and CIA know exactly what happened. They've always known. Russia knows we know. We know Russia knows we know.

But to protect our assets and/or capabilities, they're not going to just come out and say it.

Yea sometimes I wonder how Steele was able to compile his dossier with detailed information and deliver it in a relatively short amount of time, while Mueller, the USIC, DOJ, etc are taking a much longer time to confirm/report their findings.

I'm sure they already know the whole story, they just have to play their cards a certain way

 

[andnowweknow]

Yea sometimes I wonder how Steele was able to compile his dossier with detailed information and deliver it in a relatively short amount of time, while Mueller, the USIC, DOJ, etc are taking a much longer time to confirm/report their findings.

I'm sure they already know the whole story, they just have to play their cards a certain way

My esteemed guess:

They have seriously injurious information on Trump.

They need a mechanism for punishment/enforcement.

It's pathetic that in the current situation the only way justice can be served is through a change in the makeup of Congress. The current make up would just see the Republicans presented with obvious wrongdoing and they will simply not act on it.

Better a partisan Democrat Congress act on the truth than a Republican Congress not.

 

[TheGreatA]

It would be shameful to admit that we got played like a fiddle by Russia. Not only that, admitting it and making a plan to counter in an appropriate manner is very dangerous, but there is a positive aspect to it: having a solid foreign enemy would most likely unify this country and our domestic policies interests.

That's usually been the only way to keep America unified. Manufacture some kind of an enemy (like Saddam Hussein), proclaim them an existential threat (usually under false pretenses, or greatly exaggerated ones), go to war, take people's eyes off the ball from domestic politics. Kill a hundred thousand people while you're at it.

That's why I greatly prefer countries like Finland, Norway, Switzerland etc. which stay unified people the people have a common bond, something "real" rather than manufactured, to bring them together. No need to launch constant wars of aggressions and create boogeymen in order to keep the people in line.

Projects like America, rely upon the constant creation of new threats, enemies, global scale-problems, to divert attention from its internal problems and divisions.

 

[Pupi]

That's usually been the only way to keep America unified. Manufacture some kind of an enemy (like Saddam Hussein), proclaim them an existential threat (usually under false pretenses, or greatly exaggerated ones), go to war, take people's eyes off the ball from domestic politics. Kill a hundred thousand people while you're at it.

That's why I greatly prefer countries like Finland, Norway, Switzerland etc. which stay unified people the people have a common bond, something "real" rather than manufactured, to bring them together. No need to launch constant wars of aggressions and create boogeymen in order to keep the people in line.

Projects like America, rely upon the constant creation of new threats, enemies, global scale-problems, to divert attention from its internal problems and divisions.

Agreed, but let me ask you this: what have countries like Finland, Norway, and Switzerland done in the last 200 years to significantly advance human civilization? They are not active historical actors. Yeah they have a common culture and a common ethnicity, but so do other countries. There's nothing exceptional about them.

 

[wonderbread]

 

[Grok]

But will that happen?

I think all they care about is getting him the fuck out of office and far away from Washington. lol

No, Trump won't face justice. He's been ripping people off and raping for decades now with no ramifications. They life of people born with a silver spoon up their ass.

 

[Johnny Alpha]

American's still believe Russia invaded Ukraine with tanks and took part of it over like some invasion of Poland.

Look at the demographics of Crimea. Notice something?

Russia's have been the majority likely in the 1940's.


Maybe if Alaska had a majority Russian population they would want to be part of Russia otherwise the talks of Russia taking over Alaska are ridiculous.

Hey with so many Mexicans taking over America, how long until those areas become part of Mexico?

 

[waiguoren]

Democracy Now!

Debate: Is Trump-Putin Summit a “Danger to America” or Crucial Diplomacy Between Nuclear Powers?





Greenwald in excellent form here.

 

[Pupi]

Hey with so many Mexicans taking over America, how long until those areas become part of Mexico?

Lol the comparison between Mexico conquering America like Russia conquered Crimea is ridiculous. The difference of power is astronomical. Get a grip dude.