International Trump/Putin Summit

[Joe]

Estimated U.S. military spending is $886 billion. That's from President Trump's budget for Fiscal Year 2019 submitted to Congress. It covers the period October 1, 2018 through September 30, 2019. Military spending is the second largest item in the federal budget after Social Security. The United States spends more on defense than the next nine countries combined.

There are four components. First is the $597.1 billion base budget for the Department of Defense.


Second is the overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group ($88.9 billion).

Third is the total of other agencies that protect our nation. These expenses are $181.3 billion. They include the Department of Veterans Affairs ($83.1 billion), the State Department ($28.3 billion), Homeland Security ($46 billion), FBI and Cybersecurity in the Department of Justice ($8.8 billion) and the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($15.1 billion).

The last component is $18.7 billion in OCO funds for the State Department and Homeland Security to fight ISIS.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320

Did you just throw a bunch of numbers at me to compensate for the fact you can't find where trump gets his 90% number?

 

[Factory]

Doubles down on trolling by steering off topic

thx for admitting I have a point. The fact that you are not able to answer such a simple question says it all, sad

 

[Factory]

c'mon just be honest. If it was Obama, you would praise him as a great president who wants peace

 

[waiguoren]

Did you just throw a bunch of numbers at me to compensate for the fact you can't find where trump gets his 90% number?

You have to be kidding.

The Politifact article I linked you to showed total 2015 NATO defense spending at $900 billion.

I found an article from factcheck.org showing $917 billion for 2017 NATO defense spending.

The article you just quoted shows how US military spending in 2018 can be calculated at $886 billion.

886/917 > 96%

That denominator is too small, but you get the point.

Can you not see how we could arrive at a number even higher than 90%?

 

[Rational Poster]

c'mon just be honest. If it was Obama, you would praise him as a great president who wants peace

If it was Obama we wouldn't be here because he wouldn't have "accidentally" said something so stupid.

He and his team would have adequately prepared for the meeting and press conference. Obama wouldn't have accidentally given more respect to Vladimir Putin over America and our IC community.

Nice try though.

 

[Factory]

You have to be kidding.

The Politifact article I linked you to showed total 2015 NATO defense spending at $900 billion.

The article you just quoted shows how US military spending in 2018 can be calculated at $886 billion.

Can you not see how we could arrive at a number even higher than 90%?

It doesn't even matter. In its core, Trump is right that USA clearly spends more money than all other NATO "partners".
70%, 90% or 30%? - the criticism absolutely justified in any case, so I don't understand the bitching. Typical Trump bias.

 

[Factory]

If it was Obama we wouldn't be here because he wouldn't have "accidentally" said something so stupid.

He and his team would have adequately prepared for the meeting and press conference. Obama wouldn't have accidentally given more respect to Vladimir Putin over America and our IC community.

Nice try though.

but especially Obama cucked regarding Russian policy. Remember, red line?
Based on their actions, Trump has been way tougher so far regarding Russia.

 

[woodguyatl]

Who cares what a propaganda network says?

On one statement only. The press conference was 45 minutes. You should watch it.

If I have a 45 minute conversation with someone about the weather and the call them a phile causing people to lose their shit I really only need to apologize for the stupid thing.

 

[Rational Poster]

but especially Obama cucked regarding Russian policy. Remember, red line?
Based on their actions, Trump has been way tougher so far regarding Russia.

 

[Joe]

You have to be kidding.

The Politifact article I linked you to showed total 2015 NATO defense spending at $900 billion.

I found an article from factcheck.org showing $917 billion for 2017 NATO defense spending.

The article you just quoted shows how US military spending in 2018 can be calculated at $886 billion.

886/917 > 96%

That denominator is too small, but you get the point.

Can you not see how we could arrive at a number even higher than 90%?

you mean this article where they say trumps number is bs?
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/trump-still-distorting-nato-spending/

 

[waiguoren]

If I have a 45 minute conversation with someone about the weather and the call them a phile causing people to lose their shit I really only need to apologize for the stupid thing.

Terrible analogy. The entire press conference was interesting, not analogous to a boring conversation about the weather.

And the "stupid part" wasn't really that stupid.

 

[waiguoren]

you mean this article where they say trumps number is bs?
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/trump-still-distorting-nato-spending/

Yup.

The article finds 67.3%. But they're using a figure of $618 billion for US spending.

Increase the US figure to $900 billion and you find a number over 75%.

 

[Factory]

????

President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...er-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight

 

[Rational Poster]

You have to be kidding.

The Politifact article I linked you to showed total 2015 NATO defense spending at $900 billion.

I found an article from factcheck.org showing $917 billion for 2017 NATO defense spending.

The article you just quoted shows how US military spending in 2018 can be calculated at $886 billion.

886/917 > 96%

That denominator is too small, but you get the point.

Can you not see how we could arrive at a number even higher than 90%?

First, defense spending targets for NATO members aren't mandatory. What a country spends is up to the country. It's a target not a mandate. Additionally, Obama had already gotten many of the member states to agree to reach the spending target by 2025, so this is a bit of a brouhaha about nothing.

Second, the NATO budget itself is just about $3-4B annually. It's totally separate from each nation's individual defense spending desires, of which the US pays about 22% of. You can find NATO's budget on their site.

 

[Joe]

Yup.

Read the article and find the error.

In a June 27 update on spending, NATO said: “Today, the volume of the US defence expenditure effectively represents some 67 per cent of the defence spending of the Alliance as a whole.” That disparity “has been a constant,” NATO says, and has only grown since the U.S. began increasing its defense spending after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

 

[Factory]

Just read the hill article. It's pretty obvious.
So again, Trump has been way harder regarding Russia, based on his actions

"...Compare all of the above actions to Obama’s milquetoast policy on Russia and outright appeasement on issues such as the “red line” that Russia blew right past in Syria. Obama’s lackluster track record with Russia is in stark contrast to the Trump administration that has already, in its first 18 months, surpassed what Obama did over a total of eight years...."

 

[waiguoren]

In a June 27 update on spending, NATO said: “Today, the volume of the US defence expenditure effectively represents some 67 per cent of the defence spending of the Alliance as a whole.” That disparity “has been a constant,” NATO says, and has only grown since the U.S. began increasing its defense spending after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Posting the same thing over and over again doesn't refute the point. Should I just re-post the article from thebalance.com over and over again until you acknowledge your mistake?

I agree that getting 90% would require some serious creativity. 75% is reachable by using the broadest method of accounting.

 

[Rational Poster]

????

President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...er-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight

This is so much bullshit it's not even funny.

Trump is tougher on Russia because Congress passed sanctions unanimously and he sat on them for months?

There were multiple series of sanctions passed by Obama's admit over his term on Russia.

 

[Factory]

And shouldn't we all judge people by their actions, instead of words?

 

[waiguoren]

First, defense spending targets for NATO members aren't mandatory. What a country spends is up to the country. It's a target not a mandate.

True.

this is a bit of a brouhaha about nothing.

Disagree.

Second, the NATO budget itself is just about $3-4B annually. It's totally separate from each nation's individual defense spending desires, of which the US pays about 22% of.

True.