International Trump/Putin Summit

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waiguoren said:
From Politifact (2016):

"We spend about 75 percent of the entire cost of the military aspect of NATO."

— Bernie Sanders on Thursday, April 14th, 2016 in the Democratic debate in Brooklyn, N.Y.


By NATO’s count, total defense spending of all NATO members stood at about $900 billion in 2015 in current dollars. The United States’ share was about $650 billion. Do the math, and the percentage comes to about 72 percent.
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the defense of Trump lying about how much NATO contributes is that Sanders knew the right number?

Astounding.
 
7437 said:
the defense of Trump lying about how much NATO contributes is that Sanders knew the right number?

Astounding.
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No, you're confused.

(1) No one has presented evidence that Trump is "lying" about how much the US contributes.

(2) Bernie Sanders has made the same criticism of NATO that Trump is making.
 
Joe said:
Right here! Where is this 90% number coming from???
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Politifact says the number was 72% in 2015.

Military budgets can be calculated in many ways. For example, if one includes pensions paid to veterans, the US share would increase. Different calculation methods can yield a large range from 50% to over 90%. Trump is choosing the upper end of that range for rhetorical effect.
 
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waiguoren said:
No, you're confused.

(1) No one has presented evidence that Trump is "lying" about how much the US contributes.

(2) Bernie Sanders has made the same criticism of NATO that Trump is making.
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He said a number that is blatantly not correct. Is that in any sort of doubt?

So lying or stupid. Which is it?
 
waiguoren said:
Politifact says the number was 72% in 2015.

Military budgets can be calculated in many ways. For example, if one includes pensions paid to veterans, the US share would increase. Different calculation methods can probably yield a large range from 50% to over 90%. Trump is choosing the upper end of that range for rhetorical effect.
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I love how you blame me for not coming up with the 90% number instead of trump. Like its up to me find his bs numbers
 
7437 said:
He said a number that is blatantly not correct. Is that in any sort of doubt?

So lying or stupid. Which is it?
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Anything Trump does must be defended, lying, cheating, traitorous conduct, Truly a sick cult of personality.
 
waiguoren said:
A successful meeting with President Putin happened.

The media and the anti-Trump people are freaking out again. Is normal.
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Thats why everyone, including Faux news, criticized it, and Drumpf is back tracking. Try again.

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OeuvrePressure said:
Firstly, he's fucking stupid if he actually believes that hyperbole.
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US-Russia relations are very poor right now.

(1) Pompeo said Trump's airstrikes killed 200 Russians. Putin called the attack a "violation of international law" and an "attack on a sovereign state." Konashenkov says the attack was a "grave violation" of the 2015 military operations agreement.

(2) Trump authorized the sale of $47 million in anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. In response, Russia's deputy foreign minister called the US "an accomplice in fueling a war."

(3) Trump ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats from the US less than three months ago. This was in response to the alleged poisoning of ex-spy Sergei Skripal in Britain. Sergei Lavrov called the move "obnoxious" and promised a response.

(4) Trump imposed new sanctions on seven Russian oligarchs and 17 top Russian government officials three months ago to punish Russia for interference in the 2016 election.

Elizabeth Rosenberg, a former sanctions official in the Obama administration, described the penalties as “fairly muscular” and predicted that more sanctions are probably coming.

“This list sends a very clear signal to Putin himself that we’re not afraid to go after your friends and their children,” said Alina Polyakova, a Russia expert at the Brookings Institution. “There is some real thinking in this.”

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(3) and (4) happened just three months ago. You people seem to have extremely short memories.
 
Joe said:
I love how you blame me for not coming up with the 90% number instead of trump. Like its up to me find his bs numbers
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No, it's incumbent on you to use your brain and realize that different methods of calculation yield different results.
 
waiguoren said:
No, it's incumbent on you to use your brain and realize that different methods of calculation yield different results.
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Where is he getting this number???? Nice of you to be so easy on a politician not being able to back up the lies and bs he says
 
waiguoren said:
US-Russia relations are very poor right now.

(1) Pompeo said Trump's airstrikes killed 200 Russians. Putin called the attack a "violation of international law" and an "attack on a sovereign state." Konashenkov says the attack was a "grave violation" of the 2015 military operations agreement.

(2) Trump authorized the sale of $47 million in anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. In response, Russia's deputy foreign minister called the US "an accomplice in fueling a war."

(3) Trump ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats from the US less than three months ago. This was in response to the alleged poisoning of ex-spy Sergei Skripal in Britain. Sergei Lavrov called the move "obnoxious" and promised a response.

(4) Trump imposed new sanctions on seven Russian oligarchs and 17 top Russian government officials three months ago to punish Russia for interference in the 2016 election.

Elizabeth Rosenberg, a former sanctions official in the Obama administration, described the penalties as “fairly muscular” and predicted that more sanctions are probably coming.

“This list sends a very clear signal to Putin himself that we’re not afraid to go after your friends and their children,” said Alina Polyakova, a Russia expert at the Brookings Institution. “There is some real thinking in this.”

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(3) and (4) happened just three months ago. You people seem to have extremely short memories.
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Looks like Drumf is pushing for ww3 with Russia. Bu bu but killary is ww 3! Neocon confirmed, ;).

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