Opinion Trump orders swathes of US forests to be cut down for timber

[Andy Capp]

I'm curious to know how confident you are that the current Trump administration gives a fuck about adhering to this or any other environmental protection law.

 

[irish_thug]

 

[Madmick]

Timber is renewable. Its dumb for us to buy it from other countries.

We use it faster than it renews.

No, the more defensible position of Trump's policies is simple. If Americans find the prospect of deforestation so upsetting, then we should stop consuming so much timber. All we're doing is outsourcing our consumption. Suddenly we care when it's our vital trees. It's not like we're buying timber from nations that only have perfectly sustainable models of timber production in place.

Time for us to take a look in the mirror over what we put on our dinner plate.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Dumb. We’re the rich nation. Make the poor nations destroy their land so we can build with their resources.

 

[Seano]

We use it faster than it renews.

No, the more defensible position of Trump's policies is simple. If Americans find the prospect of deforestation so upsetting, then we should stop consuming so much timber. All we're doing is outsourcing our consumption. Suddenly we care when it's our vital trees. It's not like we're buying timber from nations that only have perfectly sustainable models of timber production in place.

Time for us to take a look in the mirror over what we put on our dinner plate.

Americans don't have much of a history putting their money where their mouth is.

 

[Madmick]

Americans don't have much of a history putting their money where their mouth is.

What is this supposed to mean?

 

[Seano]

What is this supposed to mean?

Huh? Really?

It means Americans will still throw their money at something they claim is reprehensible vs the slightly less convenient option.

 

[Crazy Source]

But the ecosystems and other plant and animal life that old growth forests support are not renewable.

This is what gets overlooked. What follows clear cutting is a death zone.

 

[Madmick]

Huh? Really?

It means Americans will still throw their money at something they claim is reprehensible vs the slightly less convenient option.

Okay, gotcha, it's a reinforcement of my sentiment. I wasn't following.

 

[Teppodama]

This is quite a long post so please forgive me for disregarding the bulk of it in my response, though I disagree with almost all of it. For example, I don't buy the "we must preserve our culture" argument, nor that wars are necessary because we need to cull the human herd now and then, but I lack the time or interest to try to change your mind on those.

Instead, I have a rather more concrete question for you. Do you have any data that demonstrates an increase in autism cases and/or anything that shows the supposed increase is not due to better diagnostic medicine, rather than a raw per capita change?

The Real Reasons Autism Rates Are Up in the U.S.

A hard look at whether the rise comes from more awareness, better diagnosis—or something else

www.scientificamerican.com

Then and Now: A Look at Autism Over the Last 20 Years - Southwest Autism Research & Resource Center (SARRC)

Thanks to a supportive community, over the last 20 years SARRC has been able to advance the understanding and treatment of autism. But what exactly did the autism landscape look […]

autismcenter.org

What's going on? The question of time trends in autism - PMC

Increases in the reported prevalence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders in recent years have fueled concern over possible environmental causes. The author reviews the available survey literature and finds evidence of large increases in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Autism rates have tripled. Is it more common or are we just better at diagnosis?

New research suggests doctors have improved at identifying autism, especially among children with average or above-average IQs. But that doesn't fully explain the trend.

www.nbcnews.com

Better diagnostic capability to test for Autism doesn't exactly explain the numbers overall in general. It doesn't answer the question as to WHY there is so many examples of Autism in the populace, whether its increased or always been there and we're just now seeing it. Personally I believe its environment. What we ingest, How we live, What we're exposed to and what we willingly put into our bodies. I'm not anti-vax or anti-med but everything, EVERYTHING, has a side-effect of some form or another.

Culture: Everything that contributes to a nation's willingness to take in migrants, provide foreign aid, etc is a result of its culture and history. If you bring in sufficient numbers of migrants that have never grown up in that society and often are coming with their own adult ingrained beliefs, ideas, social hangups, etc and doing so quickly enough that proper societal integration isn't realistic then don't be surprised when enough are there to generate real change in your society and slowly so slowly change it reflect that which they left.

War: Outside of plague, it's the only thing left to properly keep us in check if you don't factor in increasing infertility in 1st world countries and societal thoughts on contraceptives and abortion.

 

[PBAC]

Cant wait for all these homegrown industries to just spring up out of the ground. Surely making everyone poor will insentivise them to invest in their own companies.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I bet you'd care if some alien species decided we were expendable so they could buy more cheap plastic shite.

This do and I know these chuds don’t, but even if you don’t care about the species you should be worried about the catastrophic weather changes that are coming our way. Instead of worrying about it though they’re pretending it’s not coming.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Lets be real. Is pretty naive to expect that a selfish jerk could care about other forms of lifes, besides himself. Trump is on his last years on Earth, he could care less if his grandsons will live in a desert