Opinion Trump orders swathes of US forests to be cut down for timber

[Andy Capp]

I'm curious to know how confident you are that the current Trump administration gives a fuck about adhering to this or any other environmental protection law.

 

[irish_thug]

 

[Madmick]

Timber is renewable. Its dumb for us to buy it from other countries.

We use it faster than it renews.

No, the more defensible position of Trump's policies is simple. If Americans find the prospect of deforestation so upsetting, then we should stop consuming so much timber. All we're doing is outsourcing our consumption. Suddenly we care when it's our vital trees. It's not like we're buying timber from nations that only have perfectly sustainable models of timber production in place.

Time for us to take a look in the mirror over what we put on our dinner plate.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Dumb. We’re the rich nation. Make the poor nations destroy their land so we can build with their resources.

 

[Seano]

We use it faster than it renews.

No, the more defensible position of Trump's policies is simple. If Americans find the prospect of deforestation so upsetting, then we should stop consuming so much timber. All we're doing is outsourcing our consumption. Suddenly we care when it's our vital trees. It's not like we're buying timber from nations that only have perfectly sustainable models of timber production in place.

Time for us to take a look in the mirror over what we put on our dinner plate.

Americans don't have much of a history putting their money where their mouth is.

 

[Madmick]

Americans don't have much of a history putting their money where their mouth is.

What is this supposed to mean?

 

[Seano]

What is this supposed to mean?

Huh? Really?

It means Americans will still throw their money at something they claim is reprehensible vs the slightly less convenient option.

 

[Crazy Source]

But the ecosystems and other plant and animal life that old growth forests support are not renewable.

This is what gets overlooked. What follows clear cutting is a death zone.

 

[Madmick]

Huh? Really?

It means Americans will still throw their money at something they claim is reprehensible vs the slightly less convenient option.

Okay, gotcha, it's a reinforcement of my sentiment. I wasn't following.

 

[Teppodama]

This is quite a long post so please forgive me for disregarding the bulk of it in my response, though I disagree with almost all of it. For example, I don't buy the "we must preserve our culture" argument, nor that wars are necessary because we need to cull the human herd now and then, but I lack the time or interest to try to change your mind on those.

Instead, I have a rather more concrete question for you. Do you have any data that demonstrates an increase in autism cases and/or anything that shows the supposed increase is not due to better diagnostic medicine, rather than a raw per capita change?

The Real Reasons Autism Rates Are Up in the U.S.

A hard look at whether the rise comes from more awareness, better diagnosis—or something else

www.scientificamerican.com

Autism Through the Years: How Understanding Has Evolved Over Two Decades - Southwest Autism Research & Resource Center (SARRC)

SARRC has spent over two decades advancing the understanding and treatment of autism. But what did the autism landscape look like back in 1997? We asked members of SARRC’s research team to reflect on those early days. Here’s a glimpse of how far we’ve come since then.

autismcenter.org

What's going on? The question of time trends in autism - PMC

Increases in the reported prevalence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders in recent years have fueled concern over possible environmental causes. The author reviews the available survey literature and finds evidence of large increases in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Autism rates have tripled. Is it more common or are we just better at diagnosis?

New research suggests doctors have improved at identifying autism, especially among children with average or above-average IQs. But that doesn't fully explain the trend.

www.nbcnews.com

Better diagnostic capability to test for Autism doesn't exactly explain the numbers overall in general. It doesn't answer the question as to WHY there is so many examples of Autism in the populace, whether its increased or always been there and we're just now seeing it. Personally I believe its environment. What we ingest, How we live, What we're exposed to and what we willingly put into our bodies. I'm not anti-vax or anti-med but everything, EVERYTHING, has a side-effect of some form or another.

Culture: Everything that contributes to a nation's willingness to take in migrants, provide foreign aid, etc is a result of its culture and history. If you bring in sufficient numbers of migrants that have never grown up in that society and often are coming with their own adult ingrained beliefs, ideas, social hangups, etc and doing so quickly enough that proper societal integration isn't realistic then don't be surprised when enough are there to generate real change in your society and slowly so slowly change it reflect that which they left.

War: Outside of plague, it's the only thing left to properly keep us in check if you don't factor in increasing infertility in 1st world countries and societal thoughts on contraceptives and abortion.

 

[PBAC]

Cant wait for all these homegrown industries to just spring up out of the ground. Surely making everyone poor will insentivise them to invest in their own companies.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I bet you'd care if some alien species decided we were expendable so they could buy more cheap plastic shite.

This do and I know these chuds don’t, but even if you don’t care about the species you should be worried about the catastrophic weather changes that are coming our way. Instead of worrying about it though they’re pretending it’s not coming.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Lets be real. Is pretty naive to expect that a selfish jerk could care about other forms of lifes, besides himself. Trump is on his last years on Earth, he could care less if his grandsons will live in a desert

 

[Andy Capp]

The Real Reasons Autism Rates Are Up in the U.S.

A hard look at whether the rise comes from more awareness, better diagnosis—or something else

www.scientificamerican.com

Autism Through the Years: How Understanding Has Evolved Over Two Decades - Southwest Autism Research & Resource Center (SARRC)

SARRC has spent over two decades advancing the understanding and treatment of autism. But what did the autism landscape look like back in 1997? We asked members of SARRC’s research team to reflect on those early days. Here’s a glimpse of how far we’ve come since then.

autismcenter.org

What's going on? The question of time trends in autism - PMC

Increases in the reported prevalence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders in recent years have fueled concern over possible environmental causes. The author reviews the available survey literature and finds evidence of large increases in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Autism rates have tripled. Is it more common or are we just better at diagnosis?

New research suggests doctors have improved at identifying autism, especially among children with average or above-average IQs. But that doesn't fully explain the trend.

www.nbcnews.com

Better diagnostic capability to test for Autism doesn't exactly explain the numbers overall in general. It doesn't answer the question as to WHY there is so many examples of Autism in the populace, whether its increased or always been there and we're just now seeing it. Personally I believe its environment. What we ingest, How we live, What we're exposed to and what we willingly put into our bodies. I'm not anti-vax or anti-med but everything, EVERYTHING, has a side-effect of some form or another.

Culture: Everything that contributes to a nation's willingness to take in migrants, provide foreign aid, etc is a result of its culture and history. If you bring in sufficient numbers of migrants that have never grown up in that society and often are coming with their own adult ingrained beliefs, ideas, social hangups, etc and doing so quickly enough that proper societal integration isn't realistic then don't be surprised when enough are there to generate real change in your society and slowly so slowly change it reflect that which they left.

War: Outside of plague, it's the only thing left to properly keep us in check if you don't factor in increasing infertility in 1st world countries and societal thoughts on contraceptives and abortion.

Thank you for taking the time. It's late now but I'll peruse this tomorrow.

 

[evergreenrider]

Hell yeah! 1 new regulation equals removal of 10 old regulations! Fire up the chainsaws and grab your shovels, we got resources to extract.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Timber is renewable. Its dumb for us to buy it from other countries.

Let's see if they're cutting this area down sustainably or if it opens up ground for other projects to take over the land.

 

[Deorum]

Here it comes @Deorum. Welcome to the dark side.

You Called It.

I'm curious to know how confident you are that the current Trump administration gives a fuck about adhering to this or any other environmental protection law.

Are you? Because my defiance has repeatedly been mistaken for deflection and denial, if not outright endorsement. If I support border security and the enforcement of my country's territorial integrity, I must be in favor of everything else, even if those things have less than nothing to do with each other. I'm curious as to whether anybody else posting in this thread (aside from jk7707) with a sudden urgent concern for American forests knew the NWPS even existed, lol.

"Cutting government expenditures that were already allocated by Congress"

Or in other words, trying to usurp Congress' power of the purse strings. You think that's a good thing?

Are you, of all people still trying to support this?

US Forest Service fires 3,400 workers, Park Service cuts 1,000

Dumb. We’re the rich nation. Make the poor nations destroy their land so we can build with their resources.

Let's see if they're cutting this area down sustainably or if it opens up ground for other projects to take over the land.

This is going to be furiously wall to wall litigated through the eyeballs and out the asshole. They allegedly want to "sidestep" the Endangered Species Act, and I'm sure that will go completely unchallenged. Jesus Christ. As it stands, one-half of 1% of US national forest lands are harvested for timber use each year.

It isn't sustainable

i see the virgin forests lost their virginity, must be some good bbc.

It suggests that the GYE and NCDE - two of the most cherished, intact, and well protected ecosystems on the entire planet - no longer have any old growth forest left. It's hilariously fake shit that got a reaction from nine people (@Crazy Source, @evergreenrider, @Andy Capp, @deviake, @no fat chicks, @Thepaintbucket, @curryjunkie, @Blayt7hh, @shinkyoku) who now foolishly believe that. It's the innocuous ignorance I referred to earlier, and it cultivates a defeatist attitude. This MOG map from Wild Heritage and Woodell Climate Research is far more based on reality.

Guy loves to pretend to be something he clearly isn't When Daddy Dump says jump, they ask how high.

 

[Streeter]

At the end of the night it's going down

 

[Blayt7hh]

You Called It.



Are you? Because my defiance has repeatedly been mistaken for deflection and denial, if not outright endorsement. If I support border security and the enforcement of my country's territorial integrity, I must be in favor of everything else, even if those things have less than nothing to do with each other. I'm curious as to whether anybody else posting in this thread (aside from jk7707) with a sudden urgent concern for American forests knew the NWPS even existed, lol.












This is going to be furiously wall to wall ligitated through the eyeballs and out the asshole. They allegedly want to "sidestep" the Endangered Species Act, and I'm sure that will go completely unchallenged. Jesus Christ. As it stands, one-half of 1% of US national forest lands are harvested for timber use each year.




It suggests that the GYE and NCDE - two of the most cherished, intact, and well protected ecosystems on the entire planet - no longer have any old growth forest left. It's hilariously fake shit that got a reaction from nine people (@Crazy Source, @evergreenrider, @Andy Capp, @deviake, @no fat chicks, @Thepaintbucket, @curryjunkie, @Blayt7hh, @shinkyoku) who now foolishly believe that. It's the innocuous ignorance I referred to earlier, and it cultivates a defeatist attitude. This MOG map from Wild Heritage and Woodell Climate Research is far more based on reality.

I’ll grant you that I believe your graphic more, but it’s not exactly a good news story. That’s ones pretty disheartening to. So what’s your point? That yes it is really bad but not quite that bad?

I think most people are aware that we haven’t been harvesting what’s left recently, but tell me with a straight face that you aren’t worried we won’t open it up to harvesting under this administration. You are a fool if you don’t think they’ll do that if they see an opportunity.

 

[cooks1]

Timber is renewable. Its dumb for us to buy it from other countries.

On that we agree. The US could be doing much better with timber. And PROPER lumber harvesting can actually benefit the environment. But as usual, this proposed epileptic fit of rapid wholesale felling is absurdly dangerous and unnecessary.