Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Would you link me to the source that Trump pardoned Daniel Rodriguez specifically?
Would you link me to the source that Trump pardoned Nicholas Dempsey specifically?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...arrio/65-98a16353-e94d-4e62-96c7-edac159f01ff

"The approximately 1,100 other defendants who have already been convicted and sentenced in connection with the riot will be fully pardoned. That list includes former Proud Boys national chairman Enrique Tarrio – who was sentenced to 22 years in prison for masterminding a plan to incite violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6 – and dozens of people convicted of assaulting police with deadly or dangerous weapons. The latter group includes Daniel Rodriguez, a fanatic Trump supporter from California sentenced to more than 12 years in prison for twice driving a stun gun into the neck of DC Police Officer Mike Fanone while other rioters held him down."
only 14 were not fully pardoned. David Nicholas Dempsey was not included in that list meaning he also recieved a full pardon

 

[Lycandroid]

Calling a lawful shoot homicide as you cheer on traitors.

Try not to cut yourself on all that edge, boy.

the only traitor in this situation is you. Siding with a corrupt government.

 

[gatchaman]

Calling a lawful shoot homicide as you cheer on traitors.

Try not to cut yourself on all that edge, boy.

Are you disagreeing that shooting a person is homicide? If you worked in law enforcement, you should have learned about manner of death. Homicide is the manner of death in which the intentional act of one person directly or indirectly kills another person.

I agree that presently law enforcement views Michael Byrd's shooting of Ashli Babbitt as a lawful homicide. If later evidence indicates that Michael Byrd's shooting of Ashli Babbitt was an unlawful homicide then Michael Byrd is pardoned for that act by Joe Biden, and you are fine with it.

 

[Darkballs]

Are you disagreeing that shooting a person is homicide? If you worked in law enforcement, you should have learned about manner of death. Homicide is the manner of death in which the intentional act of one person directly or indirectly kills another person.

I'm a former Assistant District Attorney who prosecuted almost exclusively violent crimes.

Calling a lawful shoot a homicide is both stupid and just F-tier trolling. I wish you luck with your edgelord persona.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I think you are saying Biden shouldn't have prosecuted those who didn't attack cops or destroy property, okay. But we agree here that doesn't impact whether Trump pardoned the others there. That's what I'm trying to point out. It isn't Biden's fault the violent offenders are pardoned right now.

Yes it is. Nobody would be talking about a pardon if they hit a few dozen that actually assaulted people with felonies and the rest had to pay a fine and do some community service.

 

[Darkballs]

the only traitor in this situation is you.

Nah. Steward Rhodes was convicted of actual treason by a federal court.

But thank you, guy who can barely speak english.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Would you link me to the source that Trump pardoned Daniel Rodriguez specifically?
Would you link me to the source that Trump pardoned Nicholas Dempsey specifically?

he didn't pardon them specifically. he granted a sweeping pardon that included absolutely everyone involved in 1/6, and commuted the sentences of those who have already been convicted.

Granting Pardons And Commutation Of Sentences For Certain Offenses Relating To The Events At Or Near The United States Capitol On January 6, 2021 – The White House

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION This proclamation ends a grave national injustice that has been perpetrated upon the

www.whitehouse.gov

but his pardon includes the two guys the other poster named, by default

 

[gatchaman]

I'm a former Assistant District Attorney who prosecuted almost exclusively violent crimes.

Calling a lawful shoot a homicide is both stupid and just F-tier trolling. I wish you luck with your edgelord persona.

You quoted me and again edited part out: I agree that presently law enforcement views Michael Byrd's shooting of Ashli Babbitt as a lawful homicide. If later evidence indicates that Michael Byrd's shooting of Ashli Babbitt was an unlawful homicide then Michael Byrd is pardoned for that act by Joe Biden, and you are fine with it.

With regards to the word "homicide", excuse me for knowing the actual definitions of words and not anticipating your feelings about them, I guess.

 

[Lycandroid]

Nah. Steward Rhodes was convicted of actual treason by a federal court.

But thank you, guy who can barely speak english.

can you speak a second language ? I highly doubt it.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yes it is. Nobody would be talking about a pardon if they hit a few dozen that actually assaulted people with felonies and the rest had to pay a fine and do some community service.

do you not realize the violent offenders were arrested and identified and could thusly be excluded from the pardon? trump didn't have to pardon the violent protestors, but he did.

 

[Darkballs]

You quoted me and again edited part out: I agree that presently law enforcement views Michael Byrd's shooting of Ashli Babbitt as a lawful homicide. If later evidence indicates that Michael Byrd's shooting of Ashli Babbitt was an unlawful homicide then Michael Byrd is pardoned for that act by Joe Biden, and you are fine with it.

The entire incident is on tape. What other evidence could possibly come out that would turn this into a homicide?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I'm a former Assistant District Attorney who prosecuted almost exclusively violent crimes.

Calling a lawful shoot a homicide is both stupid and just F-tier trolling. I wish you luck with your edgelord persona.

clearly you are lying about your pretend job, because homicide is simply the act of killing another person with no implication of, or bias toward, whether it's justified or not. it's simply the word for taking a person's life. the word you're confusing it with is "murder" which an assistant DA would know.

 

[Lead]

Yes it is. Nobody would be talking about a pardon if they hit a few dozen that actually assaulted people with felonies and the rest had to pay a fine and do some community service.

But aren't most of the people who are talking about this (you included) people who condemn the violent ones / property destroyers and wanted pardons for the other people? I don't get your point there. Trump had full power to pick and choose who it was. He didn't do that. Biden didn't force him to pardon any of them. People are accountable for their actions and Trump did this. The same point was true when Biden pardoned Hunter or the pre-emptive pardons. I'd hear he did this because Trump might do x, y, z. Well that doesn't change Biden did the pardon and he could've not have done it. I just don't think these points excuse the actions at all.

 

[gentel]

1/6 was a violent coup attempt, these pardons are Trump's endorsement of violence that supports keeping him in power

 

[Darkballs]

clearly you are lying about your pretend job, because homicide is simply the act of killing another person, with no implication of or bias toward whether it's justified or not. it's simply the word for taking a person's life. the word you're confusing it with is "murder" which an assistant DA would know.

Nonsense.

You don't refer to lawful shoots as homicides. I'm aware of the retarded textualism that juvenile law students use when related to initial charges. And you would still never refer to a lawful shoot, that was never even charged as a homicide and thus rebutted with a affirmative defense, as a homicide.

It's the difference between actually working the job, and reading stuff on the internet.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Nonsense.

You don't refer to lawful shoots as homicides. I'm aware of the retarded textualism that juvenile law students use when related to initial charges. And you would still never refer to a lawful shoot, that was never even charged as a homicide and defended by an affirmative defense, as homicide.

It's the difference between actually working the job, and reading stuff on the internet.

Off topic question. Where does the separation between criminal homicide and homicide by the general definition occur? Is it at determination of intent?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Nonsense.

You don't refer to lawful shoots as homicides.

you probably wouldn't use the word, as a defense lawyer, because it's poor framing for the jury. but deaths are ruled homicides and the legal process occurs to determine whether or not that homicide was justified or if the perp was affected by drugs, mental illness, etc. a homicide is a homicide. the police team that investigates deaths at the hands of other people is called "homicide investigation", and not every death they investigate is a murder.

again, you're clearly bullshitting.

I'm aware of the retarded textualism that juvenile law students use when related to initial charges. And you would still never refer to a lawful shoot, that was never even charged as a homicide

homicide is not a charge. negligent homicide, vehicular homicide, those are charges. there are charges associated with homicides that may colloquially be categorized as homicide charges but the charge isn't "homicide"

It's the difference between actually working the job, and reading stuff on the internet.

yeah. precisely lol

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Off topic question. Where does the separation between criminal homicide and homicide by the general definition occur? Is it at determination of intent?

you are better off googling this than asking him. seriously.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Cause of death determined for four in Capitol riot

WASHINGTON — Two civilians who died during the violent Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol died of natural causes, and a third succumbed to amphetamine intoxication, according to the District of Columbia medical examiner's office. A fourth person, 35-year-old...

www.seattletimes.com

"In Babbitt’s death, the medical examiner ruled that the police officer’s bullet killed her and that the manner was homicide. That does not mean the officer who fired can be held criminally liable for the death.

District police, which investigate all deaths in the District, led the inquiry into Babbitt’s shooting. A department spokesman said the investigation has been turned over to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District, which will decide whether the officer who fired should face criminal charges."

 

[Lead]

And what stern words they were...

"I don't agree"

Okay, let me match that energy. Trump shouldn't have pardoned the J6 rioters. It was the wrong thing to do.

I think if we were to measure who is more consistent on views regardless of the party, I would fair much better. The reason being I can’t really form any basic principles you hold from past posting history other than maybe nihilism.