Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

[Deleted member 267581]

Seriously? Several police officers were assaulted. As a centrist that should bother you.

He isn’t

 

[Darkballs]

It would be really easy to separate the righteous convictions from the bad ones? I doubt it.

What are you talking about? These are people that have already been convicted. We have a literal record of each and every charge they were convicted of. It would be incredibly easy to determine who you wanted to pardon.

 

[Lead]

Sure.

Trump pardoning literal traitors sure does make the left look bad.

I wouldn't define myself as to the left btw. He's referencing me being optimistic Trump was going to lose and telling him and CCF I was going to gloat about it when it happened. I think people on the right shouldn't find Trumps past actions as defensible and it's messed up he not only clear the primary but the general.

 

[gatchaman]

And how does that change that the pardoning these individuals is also morally reprehensible? Why is the immediate response to distract from something that is clearly wrong? Why can 2 things not be treated as simultaneously being morally and ethically wrong?

Why is it relevant?

Name the most violent J6 protestor who Trump pardoned, and describe what that person did. It will help me gauge how outraged I should be compared to shooting an unarmed woman dead.

 

[Darkballs]

I wouldn't define myself as to the left btw. He's referencing me being optimistic Trump was going to lose and telling him and CCF I was going to gloat about it when it happened. I think people on the right shouldn't find Trumps past actions as defensible and it's messed up he not only clear the primary but the general.

I mean, I get that.

But that hardly seems to justify celebrating Jan 6th pardons.

 

[BFoe]

I don't think any of the violent protestors were as violent as officer Michael Byrd was when he shot unarmed Ashli Babbitt on J6.

You should look up the specifics, and generate an opinion about them, before you ask me any more questions,
unless you would rather treat Ashli Babbitt's life as trivial.

Donald Trump treats Babbit’s life as trivial. He even defended January 6 by saying “no one died!”—utterly oblivious to the fact that this poor girl died following him. She died following and believing in him, and he doesn’t even know her name.

She and a violent mob entered restricted federal areas trying to violently disrupt an election and perpetrate a coup. No one who did that should have the expectation of getting out of it alive, and the many who did were pretty damn lucky. It’s not Byrd who should be hated and shamed, it’s Trump.

 

[Xanzito]

An avowed disruptive group with bad intentions. Nah.

It's pretty much like the Biden family then. And they got a pardon.

 

[MMAisGod]

Law and order is a great principle to stand by. It's just something people excuse when they don't like the law. Not just this bare minimum stuff that should be easy (destroying property/ attacking people should have punishment) but immigration, tax laws, etc.

This week is completely fucked in terms of the way things should work. TikTok ban should still be enforced right now and we had one exec say they wouldn't do it for their last day in office and now the incoming one saying he won't do it. All these pardons have been a disaster. ERA being claimed as a 28th amendment didn't even crack the headlines for how much is going on and it isn't going to get better. Birthright citizenship was attacked with EO so that's a case that should be fast tracked.

Definitely agreed. You can build any and everything afterwards, but law and order has to be the foundation first before taking any step. And yea the Tiktok timeline of events is just getting ridiculous at this point. Great point on the ERA, it snuck by all the major headlines, too much junk going on. Wild times.

 

[gatchaman]

Donald Trump treats Babbit’s life as trivial. He even defended January 6 by saying “no one died!”—utterly oblivious to the fact that this poor girl died following him. She died following and believing in him, and he doesn’t even know her name.

She and a violent mob entered restricted federal areas trying to violently disrupt an election and perpetrate a coup. No one who did that should have the expectation of getting out of it alive, and the many who did were pretty damn lucky. It’s not Byrd who should be hated and shamed, it’s Trump.

"No one who did that should have the expectation of getting out of it alive"
I think that you treat Babbitt's life as more trivial than Donald Trump treats it.

 

[Lead]

It would be really easy to separate the righteous convictions from the bad ones? I doubt it. Are you at all concerned about unequal application of the law?

????
How about this. If there is footage of a protestor being violent, should they have been pardoned?

And I'm trying to meet you half way here with some ground that I thought you would be fair about here. We aren't even getting into people who broke windows and destroyed property at the capital. No reason for that to be excused either but you are telling me you are okay with even the violent pardons for this?

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

She and a violent mob entered restricted federal areas trying to violently disrupt an election and perpetrate a coup. No one who did that should have the expectation of getting out of it alive, and the many who did were pretty damn lucky. It’s not Byrd who should be hated and shamed, it’s Trump.

The first unarmed coup in history!

You're an actual retard.

 

[Mr Holmes]

What are you talking about? These are people that have already been convicted. We have a literal record of each and every charge they were convicted of. It would be incredibly easy to determine who you wanted to pardon.

Most took plea deals. So I'm not convinced they all deserved the charges.

 

[BFoe]

"No one who did that should have the expectation of getting out of it alive"
I think that you treat Babbitt's life as more trivial than Donald Trump treats it.

Then it doesn’t seem like you understand what the word trivial means.
I’d expect anyone violently threatening the safety and lives of Congressmen and women, especially while they are certifying an election, to meet armed resistance.
Stop supporting people who do that, or leaders who manipulate people into doing that.

 

[gatchaman]

Then it doesn’t seem like you understand what the word trivial means.
I’d expect anyone violently threatening the safety and lives of Congressmen and women, especially while they are certifying an election, to meet armed resistance.
Stop supporting people who do that, or leaders who manipulate people into doing that.

"No one who did that should have the expectation of getting out of it alive"

Another trivial life to you

 

[Lead]

Funny how you've made no comments on Biden's pardons. I guess those weren't quite "wrong" enough for you to chime in on, eh?

Wrong, check one of the hunter threads. I didn't approve of them and argued outside of sherdog with those on the left about it being okay. Hunter clearly committed crimes and excusing it as simply a witch hunt falls into that nihlism of "they all do it" rather than looking the actual facts of what he did. They didn't need to make it blanket like they did either or could've did it blanket without the things he already was caught for. Either way, I don't agree with it.

I also don't agree with the last minute ones that happened today. If the DOJ was corrupted, the courts would still be able to swat down bogus claims.

 

[Mr Holmes]

????
How about this. If there is footage of a protestor being violent, should they have been pardoned?

And I'm trying to meet you half way here with some ground that I thought you would be fair about here. We aren't even getting into people who broke windows and destroyed property at the capital. No reason for that to be excused either but you are telling me you are okay with even the violent pardons for this?

I already said I wasn't okay with the violent ones being released. If Biden didn't already fuck the whole thing up there wouldn't even be a need for pardons. They even wanted to go after people that stepped on the lawn. You think thats right?

 

[BFoe]

The first unarmed coup in history!

You're an actual retard.

Except there were weapons involved, and history has all sorts of examples of unarmed coups anyhow, you historically illiterate mongoloid.

 

[Lead]

I don't think any of the violent protestors were as violent as officer Michael Byrd was when he shot unarmed Ashli Babbitt on J6.

You should look up the specifics, and generate an opinion about them, before you ask me any more questions,
unless you would rather treat Ashli Babbitt's life as trivial.

Listen man. I don't know if we've chatted before on here or not but I try to stick within the thread topic. In the Hunter thread, I talked about how the pardon was wrong and he clearly committed the crimes he was being pardoned for. In this thread, I'm talking about the Jan 6 protestors who attacked law enforcement and destroyed property. You didn't answer my question if they should be pardoned. I don't want to put "whataboutism" labels on what your doing here but if you can't even answer a basic question about the thread when I answered your initial question about Byrd, this won't work out because you aren't being charitable back.

 

[Andy Capp]

Sure, what should be the punishment then? Several people who didn't assault anyone were put into jail, some in solitary for years, many without trial and charges just pending to hold them there. So your solution is that for any offense, the state has the right to lock you up and throw away the key indefinitely?

Tell me, what are the sentences you disagreed with? Whose assault case specifically, since you seem to have an in-depth knowledge of Jan 6 offenders? Who should have stayed in jail. Every single one of the people held up until today?


Which ones are you talking about? of the Capitol Police, Brian Sicknick died on January 7th from a stroke, and four officers (Liebengood, Smith, Hashida, and DeFreytag) committed suicide in the following year, which can all only loosely be attributed to said riot at best. The only person killed in a violent manner was Babbit, and the sole blame for that is a trigger happy Michael Byrd who Biden just so happened to pardon.

I don't spit on anyone's graves, which is what you are doing by trying to use someone's death as a way to strengthen your sophistic point. It's a pathetic, pseudointellectual way to approach an argument, but it isn't anything I haven't seen with the students I've taught. There is no need for you to begin with insults, as I will insult you in many more creative, biting, and true ways, since you are, by my guess, a standard midwit at best.


Again, it's really easy to spew this kind of mindless, retarded drivel when you have no ability to think linearly, categorizing anyone ideologically opposed to you as some deranged cultist. You categorize anyone that disagrees with you as "qanon", which is as accurate as me criticizing every person to the left of me as trans. Similar percentages at least.

If you don't believe in the "deep state," then you must be naïve. All it takes for one to exist is for there to be a conspiracy of influence, financial and political combined, nothing more.

There have been deep states throughout history, such as the Roman Catilinarian conspiracies and Triumvirates. They have been a part of US history as well, we just used to call them "Fifth Columns" as they were seen simply as ideologically opposed to us and allied with communists, while now they are symbiosis of state power, corporate power, and ideological power that dwarf the influence they had in the past.

Trump won this election because the Dems fucked the country up to unbelievable extents. People vote with their wallets, a shit economy is the first death knell of an administration, and even with all the gaslighting of "well akshually the stock market is at all time highs, the economy has never been better!" people felt it in their purchasing power and their ability to borrow. Enough people were fed up with it. Only the most diehard leftist believes in an open border, people were sick of watching literal millions waltz in across with not only no punishment, but debit cards filled with their tax dollars. Kamala was a fucking terrible candidate just like Hillary before her, for different reasons, but equally unlikeable. Trump really got two layups all things considered.

There is a deep state, but it isn't the comical conspiratorial version that you or schizos believe. It has power but it is not all powerful. If you don't recall they did try to put him in jail with a gazillion felonies. He was shot at twice. They pumped $2 Billion into Kamala's campaign, throwing it away, but having the ability to do so.

It is things like the Bilderberg Meeting, Bohemian Grove, Allen and Company SVC, Davos, and Epstein's island. It is billionaires and mega millionaires exercising class solidarity, mixed with state intel, banking bureaucracy, and an all reaching propaganda apparatus, which if you don't believe exists, has done its job perfectly of melting into the shadows in front of your very eyes.

lol "several people" out of 1500 "who didn't assault anyone" were put in solitary for years?

 

[jk7707]

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