Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

HereticBD said:
If the Dems had handled this properly, instead of putting a blanket condemnation on everyone that was there and attempting to make anyone and everyone within the area a domestic terrorist, I'd have more of a problem with the pardons. What they did with it, in comparing it to actual atrocities like 9/11(to aid them in their goal of making all conservatives domestic terrorists), I'm indifferent to it. Fuck 'em.
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Pathetic.
 
Darkballs said:
The entire incident is on tape. What other evidence could possibly come out that would turn this into a homicide?
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You quoted me and edited the quote again. This time, you left this part out: With regards to the word "homicide", excuse me for knowing the actual definitions of words and not anticipating your feelings about them, I guess.

How is it that Mr District Attorney here still doesn't understand the definition of homicide, after I explained it in post #136, and now several other posters have explained also it to you. What did the forensic pathologist report as Ashli Babbitt's manner of death after doing an autopsy and determining that she had been shot? That's right, the pathologist reported homicide because that is the word that describes Babbitt's manner of death. This is covered more concisely above in the part that you edited out when quoting me.
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
Hey man, i don't wanna be in the middle of what y'all got going on. I'll leave y'all to it and just forget about the question
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what he's getting confused is the words "homicide" and "murder" as murder is inherently criminal. homicide is not. there are many distinctions to charges relating to homicide, but homicide itself isn't inherently criminal.
 
gatchaman said:
You quoted me and edited the quote again.
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I only bother with the parts I'm going to respond to. I ignore the gibberish that does nothing to change the point your were failing to make. And I'm about to do it right here, again.


gatchaman said:
How is it that Mr District Attorney here still doesn't understand the definition of homicide, after I explained it in post #136, and now several other posters have explained also it to you.
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Because you idiots still have it wrong.

I get the textualist law school argument you've picked up on the internet. But you aren't applying it correctly.

You can say that someone has committed murder (it would still be a stupid way to word it) even if they went on to successfully defend themselves by an asserting an affirmative defense (like self-defense, insanity, etc.). So if you wanted to describe that like a robotic law professor, you could say that X committed murder by was found not guilty by reason of self-defense.

But you would never say that someone who was never charged with murder/homicide, as having committed a homicide. That implies, at the least, charges, and at worst, the dumbest use of language I've ever heard.

That being said, if you have nothing to add to this thread other than crying about Ashley Babbitt, I think you should just quit. Ashley Babbitt being shot doesn't excuse Johny Shitbird from tasing a cop in the neck.
 
Darkballs said:
I only bother with the parts I'm going to respond to. I ignore the gibberish that does nothing to change the point your were failing to make. And I'm about to do it right here, again.




Because you idiots still have it wrong.

I get the textualist law school argument you've picked up on the internet. But you aren't applying it correctly.

You can say that someone has committed murder (it would still be a stupid way to word it) even if they went on to successfully defend themselves by an asserting an affirmative defense (like self-defense, insanity, etc.). So if you wanted to describe that like a robotic law professor, you could say that X committed murder by was found not guilty by reason of self-defense.

But you would never say that someone who was never charged with murder/homicide, as having committed a homicide. That implies, at the least, charges, and at worst, the dumbest use of language I've ever heard.

That being said, if you have nothing to add to this thread other than crying about Ashley Babbitt, I think you should just quit. Ashley Babbitt being shot doesn't excuse Johny Shitbird from tasing a cop in the neck.
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you are not only unequivocally wrong but i have insane secondhand embarrassment that you really tried to pretend you were formerly an assistant DA. you legitimately don't know the difference between homicide and murder. this is hilarious.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
"In Babbitt’s death, the medical examiner ruled that the police officer’s bullet killed her and that the manner was homicide. That does not mean the officer who fired can be held criminally liable for the death.
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Yeah, the classification that coroners use don't translate into legal definitions that you apply to people you never charge with anything. Coroners don't say that the deceased died from a lawful shooting.

Listen dipshits, we get the gist of this argument: 1) Lets say Ashley Babbitt was murdered (ignore all context); 2) then we can say that was the most violent incident that day because none of the cops were "murdered"; 3) then we can say that it's ok that Trump pardoned guys who beat the shit out of cops, because Biden pardoned a guy who committed murder.

It's one of the dumber arguments I've seen floated around here, but props for originalism, I guess.
 
Darkballs said:
Yeah, the classification that coroners use don't translate into legal definitions that you apply to people you never charge with anything.
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that's because homicide isn't a legal term. it's a concrete scientific term, like suicide.
Darkballs said:
Coroners don't say that the deceased died from a lawful shooting.
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exactly. you're pretending homicide is a legal term when it's not. murder is.

that said, justifiable homicide IS a legal term, which is the funniest part. the thing you're pretending doesn't exist.
 
Anyone trying to justify this is a literal dumb fuck of a human being. People died because of what happened on that day, and this is essentially saying none of that matters now?

I guess it's open season on the republicans, just pretend the election was rigged and go fuck people up.
 
J6 was a dumb stunt that was partly planned with provocateurs and drew in a bunch of misguided people. There was a lot of this going on around that time. Legacy media spent the year preceding this incident glorifying riots and violence against peaceful people, while gaslighting the masses into believing it was about social issues. The idea of using violence to get ideas across and oppose ideas was cheered and promoted for a long time before this happened.

If you create a toxic political climate, this is the result. And for those of you who are so heartbroken that some people invaded a money laundering racket that you've been taught to believe is sacred, do you think the political class would care if it were the other way around? If your home, business, or community was getting burned, shut down, or invaded, all the ruling class would do is shrug and demand you keep paying their salary.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
exactly. you're pretending homicide is a legal term when it's not. murder is.

that said, justifiable homicide IS a legal term, which is the funniest part. the thing you're pretending doesn't exist.
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The poster I was responding to used the terms interchangeably, and your bookish deflection is equally stupid.

Because if murder (and pick the fucking term you want us to apply to Ashely Babbit here for fucks sake) is the word you want to go with, then that doesn't apply because, again, for the 5th time NO ONE WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

It is therefore stupid to call it a murder, or imply it was a murder through the adoption of the terms in a coroners report.
 
Axe720 said:
J6 was a dumb stunt that was partly planned with provocateurs and drew in a bunch of misguided people. There was a lot of this going on around that time. Legacy media spent the year preceding this incident glorifying riots and violence against peaceful people, while gaslighting the masses into believing it was about social issues. The idea of using violence to get ideas across and oppose ideas was cheered and promoted for a long time before this happened.

If you create a toxic political climate, this is the result. And for those of you who are so heartbroken that some people invaded a money laundering racket that you've been taught to believe is sacred, do you think the political class would care if it were the other way around? If your home, business, or community was getting burned, shut down, or invaded, all the ruling class would do is shrug and demand you keep paying their salary.
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Trump pardoning Jan 6th insurrectionists is ok because the George Floyd riots happened.

Trump does love the poorly educated.
 
Darkballs said:
The poster I was responding to used the terms interchangeably, and your bookish deflection is equally stupid.

Because if murder (and pick the fucking term you want us to apply to Ashely Babbit here for fucks sake) is the word you want to go with, then that doesn't apply because, again, for the 5th time NO ONE WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIME.
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which has absolutely no effect on whether the death was a homicide or not. that's the entire point here.
Darkballs said:
It is therefore stupid to call it a murder, or imply it was a murder through the adoption of the terms in a coroners report.
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no one said murder. we said homicide. the other guy said "it was a good shoot"

YOU said no one would ever call a "good shoot" a homicide for some reason.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
which has absolutely no effect on whether the death was a homicide or not. that's the entire point here.
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No. The point here (and boy was it retarded) was that Trumps pardons for violent felons are excused because Biden pardoned someone for homicide.

Ignoring all context of those events, is nothing but a stupid attempt at whataboutism. And championing the textbook definition of homicide or murder, doesn't change the fact Ashley Babbitt deserved to get shot and the Jan 6'ers deserved to go to jail.

Now I'm done with this deflection. You want to have one last wank with a dictionary, knock yourself out.
 
Axe720 said:
J6 was a dumb stunt that was partly planned with provocateurs and drew in a bunch of misguided people. There was a lot of this going on around that time. Legacy media spent the year preceding this incident glorifying riots and violence against peaceful people, while gaslighting the masses into believing it was about social issues. The idea of using violence to get ideas across and oppose ideas was cheered and promoted for a long time before this happened.

If you create a toxic political climate, this is the result. And for those of you who are so heartbroken that some people invaded a money laundering racket that you've been taught to believe is sacred, do you think the political class would care if it were the other way around? If your home, business, or community was getting burned, shut down, or invaded, all the ruling class would do is shrug and demand you keep paying their salary.
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Oh fuck off with this whatabout bullshit. The ONLY reason the events on January 6th happened was Donald Trump. He's the one who didn't concede the election. He's the one who spent MONTHS telling all of his cultists that the election was stolen. He's the one who held a rally on the SAME DAY where he spent the entire speech riling people up.
 
Darkballs said:
No. The point here (and boy was it retarded) was that Trumps pardons for violent felons are excused because Biden pardoned someone for homicide.

Ignoring all context of those events, is nothing but a stupid attempt at whataboutism. And championing the textbook definition of homicide or murder, doesn't change the fact Ashley Babbitt deserved to get shot and the Jan 6'ers deserved to go to jail.

Now I'm done with this deflection. You want to have one last wank with a dictionary, knock yourself out.
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i'm not invested in the politics side of it at all. i support protesting even if they sometimes become violent and i don't support police killing civilians. i also think the people who stormed the capitol are absolute retards, ashli babbitt especially, and i'm not sad she's dead.

i just got hung up on something you said that was incorrect.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
i'm not invested in the politics side of it at all. i support protesting even if they sometimes become violent and i don't support police killing civilians. i also think the people who stormed the capitol are absolute retards, ashli babbitt especially, and i'm not sad she's dead.

i just got hung up on something you said that was incorrect.
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Well I appreciate your correction, but my goal was not to let someone equate a lawful shoot with an unlawful beating of a police officer. The goal was clearly to suggest that pardoning a lawful shoot that resulted in homicide was somehow worse than pardoning 1,600 insurrectionists.
I don't think it's honest to try and use such a rigid dictionary approach to try and muddy the waters about what happened.
 
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