Elections Trump Indicted On 91 Counts

[LangfordBarrow]

so if trump is a fraudster, which you say he is, how soon can we expect an investigation into the bank?

The bank that has already been investigated and fined?

 

[Crawler89]

who said i hate people on this forum? i might hate their views but not them.

dude you have so much hate and misery in you, its at a cartoon villain level. come on lol.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

jack smith is rolling the dice on his federal january 6th trial that starts in march which could possibly, not saying it's likely but its possible, have his whole federal case against diaper don thrown out.

he's asking the supreme court to decide if the actions orange cosby taken while in the whitehouse to defraud his country and the elections are covered under the presidential immunity act.

zesto molesto was going to wait until the last minute and try to stall the case by appealing this shit all the way to the scotus, and it likely would fail but it could waste months of time, and zesto molesto was going to bring up this issue either right at the last minute during pretrial motions, or in his appeal after he gets convicted. and jack smith wants to get this argument out of the way and shut down right away.

this is a high stakes gamble but jack smith isn't fucking around and he's about to throw a monkey wrench in cheeto benito's stalling game and completely get his presidential immunity argument out of the way before the orange rapist waits until the very last minute and then tries to throw a hail mary and brings up that argument.

Special counsel goes directly to Supreme Court to resolve whether Trump has immunity from prosecution​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smith/index.html

if the scotus decides to take this on and have a hearing, it will skip the federal judge of his case and then the appeals court from having to waste their time and rule on shit that the orange rapist is just going to appeal to the supreme court. he's going to try to appeal everything like the perpetual victim that he pretends to be, but this whole presidential immunity thing is a genuine issue which was going to be brought up at one point and it is rather important so its best to get that cleared up and put out of the way

he's also getting the whole "double jeopardy" matter settled within his request. he's gonna get trump's other defense, the whole double-jeopady thing put to bed. it's another stupid argument that his lawyers want to make - they can't try him on the same crimes because he was already impeached and the senate didn't punish him. it's a silly argument but they're gonna take that one away from him too just so his lawyers will have to dig real deep for a defense strategy and they won't be able to stall for time by raising those arguments at the last minute and wasting time through the appeals court and scotus while it holds up the trial.

jack smith is playing some 5D chess here. and either the scotus will rule that a sitting president can break whatever laws he wants to while in office and a president is a king and then this case will fall apart, or donny dearest is about to have his only legal defense fall apart in front of his very eyes before he even has to drag his ass to court kicking and screaming.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

rudy giuliani says he's going to be testifying in his civil trial and he's going to be the only witness the defense calls forward.

but thats just what he says. he might get cold feet in the last 11 hours of his scheduled testimony, just like his rapey orange idol just did. there might be a golfing tournament that coincides with whatever trial date where he would have otherwise been testifying.

 

[HOLA]

jack smith is rolling the dice on his federal january 6th trial that starts in march which could possibly, not saying it's likely but its possible, have his whole federal case against diaper don thrown out.

he's asking the supreme court to decide if the actions orange cosby taken while in the whitehouse to defraud his country and the elections are covered under the presidential immunity act.

zesto molesto was going to wait until the last minute and try to stall the case by appealing this shit all the way to the scotus, and it likely would fail but it could waste months of time, and zesto molesto was going to bring up this issue either right at the last minute during pretrial motions, or in his appeal after he gets convicted. and jack smith wants to get this argument out of the way and shut down right away.

this is a high stakes gamble but jack smith isn't fucking around and he's about to throw a monkey wrench in cheeto benito's stalling game and completely get his presidential immunity argument out of the way before the orange rapist waits until the very last minute and then tries to throw a hail mary and brings up that argument.

either scotus will rule that a sitting president can break whatever laws he wants to while in office and a president is a king, or poor donnie's about to have his only legal defense fall apart in front of his very eyes before he even has to drag his ass to court kicking and screaming.

Special counsel goes directly to Supreme Court to resolve whether Trump has immunity from prosecution​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smith/index.html

If they rule a President has complete immunity for any action taken while he's president, then Biden should round Trump up, send him to Gitmo, and throw away the key.

It's not illegal, because he can do whatever he wants!

 

[Loiosh]

who said i hate people on this forum? i might hate their views but not them.

So who are these communists you keep complaining about?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

If they rule a President has complete immunity for any action taken while he's president, then Biden should round Trump up, send him to Gitmo, and throw away the key.

It's not illegal, because he can do whatever he wants!

i just think its hilarious, jack smith is not entertaining the orange toddler's toddler games. he's gonna shut this guys arguments down before he can even show up to court and try to make them lol.

this has a chance to completely explode and backfire on jack smith. but if it does then hell yeah, if a president can break whatever laws he wants just because he's president, then yeah, just get president brandon to abuse his authority, send the feds over to the mar-a-lago, take trump away without his secret service members, and then send him to Gitmo! and hell, if we're gonna go all ruthless authoritarian dictator and weaponize the DOJ to imprison our political enemies, may as well round up all of the maga trash in congress and the senate and put them on the same plane! thats the same kind of shit that donald trump is plotting to do if he wins the election, while at the same time projecting that it's the democrats who are weaponizing the DOJ all because he finally is being held accountable by people for his wrongdoings.

aww hell, since a sitting president can do whatever he wants, maybe brandon should just decide that he's never going to leave the whitehouse, and when he does he will give up his chair to his beloved son, hunter biden. after all, he's the president. he can do whatever the hell he wants, and the SCOTUS said so!

sadly i don't see it playing out like that. but it's better just to have the scotus shut the door on trump right away rather than have it ultimately hold up the trial.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

holy shit, that was quick. within just mere hours the SCOTUS responded to jack smith and have decided to take him up! and trumpy's spokesperson is hella pissed! how dare they bypass our stalling tactics! can't you see that we were busy sitting on hour hands and waiting until the 11'th hour to bring up this argument and drag this on for months or even years? how dare you rush this and force our hand!

Supreme Court agrees to rule on whether Trump can be prosecuted​

Special counsel Jack Smith had asked the top court to rule quickly on Mr Trump's claim of presidential immunity.

The request comes after Mr Trump sought a delay in his trial while an appeals court decides the matter.

The case is currently scheduled to begin on 4 March in Washington DC.

In a petition to the Supreme Court earlier on Monday, Mr Smith wrote: "This case presents a fundamental question at the heart of our democracy: whether a former President is absolutely immune from federal prosecution for crimes committed while in office or is constitutionally protected from federal prosecution when he has been impeached but not convicted before the criminal proceedings begin."

By doing so, Mr Smith was attempting to accelerate the time it takes for the US court system to review the former president's appeals - a process that can sometimes last for months or even years.

In a brief order, the Supreme Court said it would take up the case on an expedited basis and asked Mr Trump's legal team to file a response by 20 December.

Ahead of the top court's ruling, the Trump campaign had accused Mr Smith of trying "a Hail Mary by racing to the Supreme Court and attempting to bypass the appellate process".

"There is absolutely no reason to rush this sham to trial except to injure President Trump and tens of millions of his supporters," a spokesperson said.

Supreme Court asked to decide if Trump can be prosecuted

The top court is asked to rule on whether Mr Trump is immune from federal prosecution over the Capitol riot.

www.bbc.com

 

[mixmastermo]

If they rule a President has complete immunity for any action taken while he's president, then Biden should round Trump up, send him to Gitmo, and throw away the key.

It's not illegal, because he can do whatever he wants!

In response to the bolded, if SCOTUS does indeed rule that, we have a constitutional crisis on our hands.. and the crazy thing is people would applaud it.

 

[mixmastermo]

 

[idrankyourbeer]

theyre gonna be challenging the presidential immunity and the double jeopardy claims. jack smith about to kill two birds with one stone.

jack smith has gotta be real confident of his argument if he wants to go straight to the scotus to address this. what a high stakes gamble, but if it pays of it is going to absolutely crush diaper don's legal strategy and stall tactics and it will absolutely bury him in trial.

this could have taken months or even years to get moved around through the appeals courts just to end up getting appealed to the supreme court, and jack smith is going to bypass this whole stall game just to spite the orange rapist.

diaper don has to be absolutely fucking pissed off over this. he's gonna be going full-enraged toddler on truth social about Deranged Jack Smith and his Trump-hating wife within any hour now, if he hasn't done so already! how dare they make us bring up an argument to the scotus so fast that we wanted to bring up to the scotus on our own time and leisure! political interference!

and seeing the scotus giving down its final rulings on the presidential immunity and double jeopardy shit, that's two less things for the orange rapist to be able to appeal on after he gets convicted! jack smith playing that 5D chess.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

 

[mixmastermo]

Thanks

Polling has been super accurate since 2016..

https://h2.gifposter.com/gifs/movie/okay,-oops,-Javier-Bardem,-No-Country-for-Old-Men.gif

Spoiler: images

image links still not working, get it together sherdog

 

[Super_Nintendo]

Thanks

Polling has been super accurate since 2016..

doesn't mean anything. they'll bust out a cyber attack, new pandemic, world war, lockdowns, and mail in ballots to win it.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

jack smith is rolling the dice on his federal january 6th trial that starts in march which could possibly, not saying it's likely but its possible, have his whole federal case against diaper don thrown out.

he's asking the supreme court to decide if the actions orange cosby taken while in the whitehouse to defraud his country and the elections are covered under the presidential immunity act.

zesto molesto was going to wait until the last minute and try to stall the case by appealing this shit all the way to the scotus, and it likely would fail but it could waste months of time, and zesto molesto was going to bring up this issue either right at the last minute during pretrial motions, or in his appeal after he gets convicted. and jack smith wants to get this argument out of the way and shut down right away.

this is a high stakes gamble but jack smith isn't fucking around and he's about to throw a monkey wrench in cheeto benito's stalling game and completely get his presidential immunity argument out of the way before the orange rapist waits until the very last minute and then tries to throw a hail mary and brings up that argument.

Special counsel goes directly to Supreme Court to resolve whether Trump has immunity from prosecution​

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smith/index.html

if the scotus decides to take this on and have a hearing, it will skip the federal judge of his case and then the appeals court from having to waste their time and rule on shit that the orange rapist is just going to appeal to the supreme court. he's going to try to appeal everything like the perpetual victim that he pretends to be, but this whole presidential immunity thing is a genuine issue which was going to be brought up at one point and it is rather important so its best to get that cleared up and put out of the way

he's also getting the whole "double jeopardy" matter settled within his request. he's gonna get trump's other defense, the whole double-jeopady thing put to bed. it's another stupid argument that his lawyers want to make - they can't try him on the same crimes because he was already impeached and the senate didn't punish him. it's a silly argument but they're gonna take that one away from him too just so his lawyers will have to dig real deep for a defense strategy and they won't be able to stall for time by raising those arguments at the last minute and wasting time through the appeals court and scotus while it holds up the trial.

jack smith is playing some 5D chess here. and either the scotus will rule that a sitting president can break whatever laws he wants to while in office and a president is a king and then this case will fall apart, or donny dearest is about to have his only legal defense fall apart in front of his very eyes before he even has to drag his ass to court kicking and screaming.

I don’t see the point. If the scotus says he is protected, will they just drop the charges? Is he banking on them saying he isn’t protected, so he can’t take it to the scotus after?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I don’t see the point. If the scotus says he is protected, will they just drop the charges? Is he banking on them saying he isn’t protected, so he can’t take it to the scotus after?

it has huge ramifications because if they rule that private citizen donald trump is immune to being prosecuted for illegal shit he did while he was in office, they'll basically just throw this case right out. but if he's not immune to that shit, he won't be able to use presidential immunity as any kinds of defense, but most importantly as a means to file any motions to dismiss or appeal on a judges ruling and then drag this out for months or even years before the trial can begin.

trump was gonna sit on his hands until the last minute before trial and then try to motion to have his case dismissed based on the grounds of presidential immunity, and then probably even double jeopardy reasons too after all of the presidential immunity shit gets struck down by every level of court in the land. it could have potentially tied up the trial dates for months or even years, mostly depending on how slow things move through the appeals courts and how long the SCOTUS would have taken to decide on the issue.

this is a high risk-high reward play right now. if it pays off, this will flatline donald trump's legal defense and completely fuck over his stall game he's trying to play and it won't jeopardize the march 4'th trial date. but if jack smith craps out they'll probably have to throw this case out.

jack smith has to be confident in his arguments to want to bring this argument straight to the scotus. but lmfao @ his efforts to bury cheeto benito's 2 legal arguments before he even has a chance to show up to court and make them. that's some 5D chess right there. i like this move very much.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Trump: “I will appeal all the way to SCOTUS if I have to!”

Smith: “Sounds good, let’s do it now.”

Trump: “No, not like that!”

Then the scotus just told trump to fuck off and respond by the 20'th.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I don’t see the point. If the scotus says he is protected, will they just drop the charges? Is he banking on them saying he isn’t protected, so he can’t take it to the scotus after?

If scotus decides presidents can do whatever they want before the next election, Biden can force Trump at gunpoint to become Jack Smith’s butler. 4D chess, baby.

 

[Sinister]

Special counsel asks Supreme Court to immediately decide if Trump is immune from Jan. 6 prosecution

The court said it would consider on an expedited basis whether to hear the case, an indication that it takes special counsel Jack Smith’s request seriously.

www.nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — Special counsel Jack Smith on Monday asked the Supreme Court to immediately step in to decide whether former President Donald Trump has immunity from prosecution for his actions seeking to overturn the 2020 election.

"This case presents a fundamental question at the heart of our democracy: whether a former President is absolutely immune from federal prosecution for crimes committed while in office," Smith wrote in the court filing.

Smith said it was "of imperative public importance" that the high court decide the question so that Trump's trial, currently scheduled for March, can move forward as quickly as possible...

On Dec. 7, U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is presiding over the election interference case, denied Trump's motion to dismiss his indictment on presidential immunity and constitutional grounds, prompting Trump to appeal and ask for the case to be put on hold.

In order to prevent a delay, Smith is seeking to circumvent the appeals process by asking the Supreme Court to take up the case and decide the issue on an expedited basis.

Smith asked the court to order Trump to respond by Dec. 18 and then immediately act on his request. Under the timeline proposed by Smith, the court — if it decides to step in — could hear arguments and issue a ruling in a matter of weeks.

This is a brilliant legal move. If the SCOTUS rules Presidents are forever immune to prosecution, no reason for the current administration to ever relinquish power.

 

[shinkyoku]

The question is: would jack smith make this gamble without having a VERY good idea about how the votes in the supreme court will fall?