Elections Trump Indicted On 91 Counts

Jack V Savage said:
Bumped into her at the airport, and she deferred to the FBI as a result. It's insane that people are still pushing the idea that there was some secret meeting with other people around. And, right, intent is part of the law. The idea was to deter people from stealing docs; not to punish septuagenarian diplomats for not being tech savvy.
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Was she with BJ Penn? Maybe he can help explain why right after the election, Trump called the Clintons "great people" for whom he had "the highest respect".
 
Jack V Savage said:
The thing is, everyone on all sides knows that Trump is a crook. People either have to look stupid pretending to think he's innocent or make an argument like that (sure he committed crimes, but law enforcement should let him get away with it because other people have probably gotten away with crimes) and come off as immoral but "hip."
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Pretty much.
 
FIMN said:
“As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t,” Trump says, according to a transcript of the recording that CNN obtained. The network reports that the audio recording captures the sound of paper rustling, indicating that Trump may have actually been waving the document around as he was talking about it.

“Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this,” Trump says in the transcript. “This was done by the military and given to me.” Prosecutors have this recording, CNN says.

This has to be parody.
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Trump's a fuckin goofy.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Well, partisans will always accuse presidents of the other party of being a criminal, but to actually pursue action, you need evidence of an actual crime. One of the reasons people (including many Republicans) opposed Trump's candidacy in the first place was the difficulties it would create to put someone of his character and history of behavior in power. It's not at all surprising that law enforcement has been thrust into the position of having to choose to either prosecute a guy who is beloved by many of the worst people in the country and the de facto leader of one of the two major parties or to just declare him to be above the law. Neither option is good, but the latter is far worse. Let's hope we learn a lesson from this and avoid such a bad decision going forward. Surely it's not impossible to find someone who will cut taxes for rich people and slash the safety net without also trying to destroy the country and abuse his power.
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To pursue action you also need someone willing to do that and preferably across party lines. Will they keep that same energy in regards to the whistleblower coming out accusing Biden of accepting a bribe? We'll see.

Hypothetically, what if the people in power (cia,fbi,state department, doj,etc.), wanted to omit evidence to not incriminate someone working in their own interests? Is that possible at all in your worldview? Does it concern you that if it was the case, we wouldnt be the wiser? I mean we come to think they have the publics best interest at heart but empirically theres a case to be made that they dont.
 
Jack V Savage said:
The thing is, everyone on all sides knows that Trump is a crook. People either have to look stupid pretending to think he's innocent or make an argument like that (sure he committed crimes, but law enforcement should let him get away with it because other people have probably gotten away with crimes) and come off as immoral but "hip."
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Further to my earlier response to this here's something I really don't get about MMA fans turned WR regulars turned Clinton haters. All through the 2016 election campaign Trump said all kinds of nasty shit about the Clintons, then as soon as the gets into office, all is forgiven/forgotten like it didn't happen--until his next fuckup that is.

Now, isn't that exactly the same as what fighters like BJ Penn and Chael Sonnen used to claim they were doing? Just playing the game to hype up the fight and get more viewers? And of course, Trump being an MMA fan since the beginning (IIIRC) and having relationship with DfW, you'd expect him to be similarly savvy about "hyping the fight". So, why don't his supports see that rather than continue to push a narrative even Trump himself has distanced himself from in the past?

It's fucking delusional magical thinking.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/walt-nauta-trump-indicted/index.html
Trump aide indicted for helping Trump do stuff to violate The Espionage Act.
Trump is kissing his ass on Truth Social so he won’t flip. Problem is that dude is going to flip just like Mark Meadows.
Watching Jack Smith build this case is a thing of beauty.
No one is above the law not even President’s.
 
The Catch-Wrestler said:
Trump can be a real idiot, that much is obvious. But the hard-on the government has for him - to keep him swamped with legal issues - is clearly politically-motivated and quite alarming.
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If only there was some way he could foil these obvious attempts to "swamp him with legal issues". Some kind of legal avenue of avoidance... alas! Can't think of any. His only choice was to break a bunch of laws, lie to the fbi, and dare them to charge him.
 
44nutman said:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/politics/walt-nauta-trump-indicted/index.html
Trump aide indicted for helping Trump do stuff to violate The Espionage Act.
Trump is kissing his ass on Truth Social so he won’t flip. Problem is that dude is going to flip just like Mark Meadows.
Watching Jack Smith build this case is a thing of beauty.
No one is above the law not even President’s.
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Is this guy who brought Trump a Diet Coke whenever he pressed the Diet Coke button?
 
PurpleDrank said:
To pursue action you also need someone willing to do that and preferably across party lines. Will they keep that same energy in regards to the whistleblower coming out accusing Biden of accepting a bribe? We'll see.
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That's happened with Trump already, though the way it works rhetorically is that anyone who notices that Trump is a crook is excommunicated from the party and thus no True Republican can ever find fault with him. The accusation against Biden has already been looked into. I don't think anyone legitimately believes it, but it's something that Republicans can use politically and for fund-raising (in emails to supporters, evidence will always be just around the corner with the help of your donations).

PurpleDrank said:
Hypothetically, what if the people in power (cia,fbi,state department, doj,etc.), wanted to omit evidence to not incriminate someone working in their own interests? Is that possible at all in your worldview? Does it concern you that if it was the case, we wouldnt be the wiser? I mean we come to think they have the publics best interest at heart but empirically theres a case to be made that they dont.
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No, I don't think that level of coordination and secrecy is possible. It's not like there is "their interest" (as opposed to a multitude with varying, though related, interests). Look at the Clinton situation. It would be the norm not to announce the investigation while it is going on (and see how the investigation into Trump was not made public until after the election), but you had a bunch of agents leaking to Giuliani and others. It's not about "the public's best interests" (which is also not really a thing in terms of the agencies you talked about), as much as different individual people with different ideas, including people who take their oaths and missions seriously.
 
Trump supporters have some messed up logic. They will complain that politicians never face consequences. Yet here there seems to be a mountain of evidence that a politician broke the law and that there is enough to prosecute him for it and they don't like it.
 
Andy Capp said:
Further to my earlier response to this here's something I really don't get about MMA fans turned WR regulars turned Clinton haters. All through the 2016 election campaign Trump said all kinds of nasty shit about the Clintons, then as soon as the gets into office, all is forgiven/forgotten like it didn't happen--until his next fuckup that is.

Now, isn't that exactly the same as what fighters like BJ Penn and Chael Sonnen used to claim they were doing? Just playing the game to hype up the fight and get more viewers? And of course, Trump being an MMA fan since the beginning (IIIRC) and having relationship with DfW, you'd expect him to be similarly savvy about "hyping the fight". So, why don't his supports see that rather than continue to push a narrative even Trump himself has distanced himself from in the past?

It's fucking delusional magic thinking.
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I don't think there's any introspection here because people aren't thinking logically (in terms of connecting things and making sure beliefs don't contradict). Partisans just think in terms of affect. Like how nutters would say that Obama is a Muslim and an atheist, or a tool of corporate power and a socialist. They aren't really thinking about the content; they just interpret the question as "is Obama good or bad?" Similarly, we get people now saying that the economy is both running too hot and too cold because they're not thinking about the content of the statements. It's just "I don't like the party in the WH and I don't trust evidence."
 
Snubnoze707 said:
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They asked him to return it, he said he did not have it and in typical Trump fashion, he fucking lied about it. Even more typical Trump fashion he was dumb enough to record himself lying about it.
Thank God he was left damn near a billion in today's dollars because he was even dumb enough to almost lose all of that. If he was born in middle class he would be divorced, living in a one bedroom apartment, bitching about how unfair is the world to him.
They arrested his aide who helped him hide it. Guess who will be singing on Donny soon. Do a background check on Walt Nauta, maybe you can link him to Soros somehow, to further delusion yourself into saying Witch hunt again like a good sheep. Sorry your hero is a a con man and a terrible human being, which most of us have known since the early 2000's.
That twitter post is someone crying their hero is a lying criminal but dont want to accept it.
 
Ah the recording happened too early to have been an attempt to smoke out an informant


And the context is all whack, he was talking at a book meeting and someone says “we have a problem” after trump says it’s classified




So he’s really that dumb
 
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