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What about the ones that have steady jobs for years and pay their taxes? Do you find it disingenuous to deport these people, even though they're law abiding productive citizens, because of their "original sin"? Seems like a path to citizenship would make more sense if you were thinking rationally rather than "xenophobically".
Lol, no I don't support going to Home Depot and chasing around taxpayers to deport even if they're here illegally. Trump went very gung-ho when he could have at least put some sort of program in place to allow a window of time for law-abiders to show up and try to get some extradited process for citizenship. But this probably should been done long ago, if there was enough foresight to see the potential for this to happen to begin with.

The problem most people have, or shall I say people who voted for this is with violent criminals. I don't believe the vast majority supported taking people away who actually do follow the rules. I think the issue though is that Democrats have spent a lot of time fighting for and excusing bad behavior which snowballed into what you see right now.
 
How do you think infrastructure is paid for locally? This is a bizarre argument, to claim immigrants don't pay for infrastructure.
I said we do not currently have it, not that we can't afford it. We can build it.

We have a housing shortage as it currently is. You can't bring in millions of people where the hell are they going to live? A YMCA? In a classroom?
 
I said we do not currently have it, not that we can't afford it. We can build it.

We have a housing shortage as it currently is. You can't bring in millions of people where the hell are they going to live? A YMCA? In a classroom?
Guess what percent of the construction industry are immigrants.

The barrier to sufficient housing supply is regulation and cost, not an actual permanent dearth of housing.

You'll also notice little correlation between housing supply and immigration levels, do you have any good evidence to the contrary?
 
Guess what percent of the construction industry are immigrants.
Rednecks and Mexicans probably. There's a bunch of them all around me.
The barrier to sufficient housing supply is regulation and cost, not an actual permanent dearth of housing.
Well get on that then.
You'll also notice little correlation between housing supply and immigration levels, do you have any good evidence to the contrary?
I need evidence that there is minimal correlation.

If you just dropped 10,000 people in my city of 60,000 for instance as an example, the demand is going to massively spike for housing which is going to raise prices on everyone. Additionally, it's going to cause mass burden on the poor effected by it. On top of the poor being effected, people settled in their residences already are going to see an increase in price.

Then you're going to have multiple people living in crowded spaces which will cause it's own problems in multiple areas mentally and physically.

We don't have to go into supply and demand dynamics here do we?
 
Rednecks and Mexicans probably. There's a bunch of them all around me.
Want to guess if that lowers or increases the cost of construction (aka housing construction pace)?
Well get on that then.
Plenty of places are trying but locals are a pain in the ass everywhere. Bottom line, the country can walk and chew gum here, it's a problem of political will . Not economic capacity or limits.
I need evidence that there is minimal correlation.
Feel free to find it, that's what I asked. You're the one making that argument.
If you just dropped 10,000 people in my city of 60,000 for instance as an example, the demand is going to massively spike for housing which is going to raise prices on everyone. Additionally, it's going to cause mass burden on the poor effected by it. On top of the poor being effected, people settled in their residences already are going to see an increase in price.

Then you're going to have multiple people living in crowded spaces which will cause it's own problems in multiple areas mentally and physically.

We don't have to go into supply and demand dynamics here do we?
Why would you propose a ridiculous edge case instead of just looking at housing and immigration trends by region? It seems like you're grasping at straws and haven't thought about your claim.

And multifamily or multigenerational housing is quite common in the world. As long as we aren't violating safety codes (which are not the same as zoning codes), that's just efficiency.

And you're the one making the argument about immigration hurting supply and demand balance here, so prove it.
 
What about the ones that have steady jobs for years and pay their taxes? Do you find it disingenuous to deport these people, even though they're law abiding productive citizens, because of their "original sin"? Seems like a path to citizenship would make more sense if you were thinking rationally rather than "xenophobically".
Are they paying 100% of their taxes they should be paying? federal, state. Not just sales tax

Also don’t mind me I’m on vacation in Thailand drinking and shit posting lol
 
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Want to guess if that lowers or increases the cost of construction (aka housing construction pace)?

Plenty of places are trying but locals are a pain in the ass everywhere. Bottom line, the country can walk and chew gum here, it's a problem of political will . Not economic capacity or limits.

Feel free to find it, that's what I asked. You're the one making that argument.

Why would you propose a ridiculous edge case instead of just looking at housing and immigration trends by region? It seems like you're grasping at straws and haven't thought about your claim.

And multifamily or multigenerational housing is quite common in the world. As long as we aren't violating safety codes (which are not the same as zoning codes), that's just efficiency.

And you're the one making the argument about immigration hurting supply and demand balance here, so prove it.
No, no, no friend. I asked you for evidence that the correlation was minimal off an argument you tried to make.
 
No, no, no friend. I asked you for evidence that the correlation was minimal off an argument you tried to make.
So you want evidence that disproves a stance you hold with no evidence? Such laziness.

Oh well, here's some charity. This is vacancy rate, this is share of immigrant population for California.

The unspoken part here you're missing (among many things) is that immigrants go where their is demand for labor, and by extension enough housing to support it. They aren't outcompeting natives for apartments, let alone housing: unless you think illegal immigrants are making more on average than natives.
 
I'm keep seeing emotional blackmail stories over and over in the news of illegal immigrants being deported. But they rarely tell the whole story.

It's always "they were in the country for XX number of years and did not commit a crime" or "They have two kids" or "They were taken outside the courthouse after an immigration hearing."

But always leave out that they had a final deportation order from years ago (there are approximately 1.4 million illegals with final deportation orders - meaning they got final due process and a judge ordered them out) or that they committed a crime 10 years ago. Or the person who got taken right after immigration court was because they were ordered deported by the judge.

The media is not being honest.

So you want evidence that disproves a stance you hold with no evidence? Such laziness.

Oh well, here's some charity. This is vacancy rate, this is share of immigrant population for California.

The unspoken part here you're missing (among many things) is that immigrants go where their is demand for labor, and by extension enough housing to support it. They aren't outcompeting natives for apartments, let alone housing: unless you think illegal immigrants are making more on average than natives.

In California, illegal immigrants get covered by Medicaid which costs an additional 8.5 billion a year. So the state is looking to borrow 3.4 billion because they're short.

Why the hell should taxpayers have to pay for this massive expense?
 
In California, illegal immigrants get covered by Medicaid which costs an additional 8.5 billion a year. So the state is looking to borrow 3.4 billion because they're short.

Why the hell should taxpayers have to pay for this massive expense?
I can accept an argument that that's a bridge too far for California and first to go when deficits happen. Even with that cost though, immigrants are still a net gain fiscally for state and country.
 
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