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My comment was more based around the law rather than due process. Of course due process should be afforded to everyone in the way it's intended.

You have to admit it's a tad amusing when the defund the police crowd starts pretending to care about the law (not you per se)
Defund the police, progressive justice, decriminalize theft, defacto open borders, the summer of love, etc.

But a scum PDF file human trafficer that got sent back to his own country is where they draw the line.
 
Defund the police, progressive justice, decriminalize theft, defacto open borders, the summer of love, etc.

But a scum PDF file human trafficer that got sent back to his own country is where they draw the line.
The reason due process works is because we afford it to everyone, regardless of what they may or may not have done. It's foundational. And any encroachment on it is a threat to our entire society.
 
The reason due process works is because we afford it to everyone, regardless of what they may or may not have done. It's foundational. And any encroachment on it is a threat to our entire society.

But when "everyone" is an American in an open border system the system will be overwhelmed.

Be careful. History has shown these systems to be fragile. The consequences will not be as benevolent as you hoped.
 
But when "everyone" is an American in an open border system the system will be overwhelmed.

Be careful. History has shown these systems to be fragile. The consequences will not be as benevolent as you hoped.

There's no limit to how much due process we can handle. It doesn't get "overwhelmed"; if we don't have enough judges, lawyers, etc... then the answer is to train and hire more, not throw up our hands and say we've topped out. That's both retarded and antithetical to our entire system.
As for the vague menacing allusion, we'll just leave that be.
 
imagine if he is convicted of these charges, gang banger, pdfile, drug, human, and gun trafficker. And in retrospect, these are the people that made this a hill to die on.

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So if he's exonerated that means that since Trump couldn't deport him legally without due process he had him charged with bogus crimes so he could still be deported? As far as literal murder Trump only has a few notches on his belt but when it comes to character assassination there isn't enough room on his belt.
 
LMAO If Abrego Garcia is somehow found innocent, he still has to go in front of an immigration judge who will promptly get rid of the withholding order and he will be deported again.
To be clear do you think he's guilty but could somehow be found innocent? Seems kind of shitty to LMAO at a guy if it turns out he's being falsely prosecuted.
 
It's because they see a double standard being applied. There are Americans who believe you did not give one single fuck when people were coming here in an illegal manner, but now you give all the fucks about the law and legality.
These would be partisan hacks fighting their culture war right? Somehow because some people believe deportation shouldn't be our main focus, especially when it's done in such an aggressive way that rights are trampled and even the economy is put at risk, that means all Democrats don't believe in the rule of law? Don't you find it ironic that some of those same people cheer on their Dear Leader no matter how openly he abuses his power?
 
Defund the police, progressive justice, decriminalize theft, defacto open borders, the summer of love, etc.

But a scum PDF file human trafficer that got sent back to his own country is where they draw the line.
Wasn't due process the line?
 
These would be partisan hacks fighting their culture war right? Somehow because some people believe deportation shouldn't be our main focus, especially when it's done in such an aggressive way that rights are trampled and even the economy is put at risk
I don't mind people coming here, the problem for me is we don't have the infrastructure to properly support it. It has to be slowly, and not in mass waves. It puts a strain on the areas where the majority of immigrants go and causes resentment amongst locals along with taking away some of their resources.

, that means all Democrats don't believe in the rule of law?
Not at all. There's a lot of reasonable Democrats, and some right here in the War Room.

Don't you find it ironic that some of those same people cheer on their Dear Leader no matter how openly he abuses his power?
Like you said the culture war, and the inherent problems of a two party political system. It drives division and resentment and hostility. No matter which party you support, were all human at our core.

But to answer you, yes absolutely. We have flaws in our very system that allow the Executive Branch to wield way too much power on their own. So when someone like Trump gets in charge, and it's inevitable someone worse will come along too, things can get very dicey for everyone. But these holes need to be looked at and patched or our whole system needs a complete overhaul.
 
I don't mind people coming here, the problem for me is we don't have the infrastructure to properly support it. It has to be slowly, and not in mass waves. It puts a strain on the areas where the majority of immigrants go and causes resentment amongst locals along with taking away some of their resources.
What resources are being taken away from locals and where?
 
You know whats a better living then some of these places in shit hole countries? our prison system. Come to USA break some laws and be guaranteed shelter, protection and meals.
 
In situations where migrants are being housed in gymnasiums, and ymca's, and that sort of thing.
Which is a fraction of immigration, legal or illegal. It's bizarre that people still try to argue that immigration is a net fiscal loss, let alone locally.
 
I don't believe any conservative really wants to live in a country where the government can say "you did something wrong" without having to prove it.

It's just that simple. If the government accuses you of wrongdoing, they have to prove to a court you did something wrong. Not just tell the public you did wrong, they have to prove to people whose job it is, to protect the innocent, that you did wrong.

If they can't prove it, fuck them.
 
Which is a fraction of immigration, legal or illegal. It's bizarre that people still try to argue that immigration is a net fiscal loss, let alone locally.
Good thing that's not what I said in reference to infrastructure.
 
To be clear do you think he's guilty but could somehow be found innocent? Seems kind of shitty to LMAO at a guy if it turns out he's being falsely prosecuted.

1. He's definitely illegal and has a deportation order that is years old.
2. He's definitely a wife beater.
3. I'm pretty sure he's MS-13. His wife's ex-husband called him a gang member in official court documents a year before he got a deportation order in 2018. He got arrested in 2019 along with other MS-13 gang members in what was probably a human trafficking operation (you can see video of the arrest on Youtube.)

Additionally, the reason he gave when he got the withholding order was due to fears of a "rival gang." Why TF would you be afraid of a rival gang, if you yourself is not in a gang?

4. None of that matters anyway - he should still be deported because he has a final deportation order from 2019.
 
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I don't mind people coming here, the problem for me is we don't have the infrastructure to properly support it. It has to be slowly, and not in mass waves. It puts a strain on the areas where the majority of immigrants go and causes resentment amongst locals along with taking away some of their resources.


Not at all. There's a lot of reasonable Democrats, and some right here in the War Room.


Like you said the culture war, and the inherent problems of a two party political system. It drives division and resentment and hostility. No matter which party you support, were all human at our core.

But to answer you, yes absolutely. We have flaws in our very system that allow the Executive Branch to wield way too much power on their own. So when someone like Trump gets in charge, and it's inevitable someone worse will come along too, things can get very dicey for everyone. But these holes need to be looked at and patched or our whole system needs a complete overhaul.
I'm just afraid we'll need to wait until after Trump's Presidency for any type of Democratic overhaul. What Trump is doing is trying to consolidate more power at the expense of the Judiciary and our Checks and Balances. I've heard some of these guys complain about partisan judges and how it's criminal that they're checking Trump’s Executive power. Meanwhile he's the only one that's already schemed to steal an election since at least Nixon. And January 6th is orders of magnitude worse than Watergate.
 
In situations where migrants are being housed in gymnasiums, and ymca's, and that sort of thing.
What about the ones that have steady jobs for years and pay their taxes? Do you find it disingenuous to deport these people, even though they're law abiding productive citizens, because of their "original sin"? Seems like a path to citizenship would make more sense if you were thinking rationally rather than "xenophobically".
 
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