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No.....explain why it would. GSP is way smaller than Costa lolAbsolutely false & him saying that would imply that GSP is/ was on steroids then right?
No.....explain why it would. GSP is way smaller than Costa lolAbsolutely false & him saying that would imply that GSP is/ was on steroids then right?
It's from the Firas Thread. True or false?
The absoluteness of that statement makes it false.
It's from the Firas Thread. True or false?
It's from the Firas Thread. True or false?
Costa doesn't have to factor into it, but GSP gained a lot of muscle over his career whilst I'm assuming he also "trained MMA".No.....explain why it would. GSP is way smaller than Costa lol
Another factor no one has mentioned yet: experience.
Most people who get into mma already have a reasonable strength base from competing in other sports or just from physical training in general. Pretty rare for someone to get into the fight game who is a complete stranger to the weight room.
But if someone was a true noob, they could pretty easily make strength/hypertrophy simeltaneously to training mma. Someone who's already gotten their noob gains; not so much.
GSP didn't gain nearly the muscle mass Costa did....Costa doesn't have to factor into it, but GSP gained a lot of muscle over his career whilst I'm assuming he also "trained MMA".
Not really
Average pro is not very strong in weight room
Not to mention hobbyist or ammiys
(Mainly because strength levels doesnt matter that much in mma really)
I disagree. The average pro has, at the very least, what most would consider a decent strength base. Not to mention the plethora of fighters who gained their strength base from some combination of wrestling, and/or football, and/or the weight room.
I also disagree that strength doesn't matter much in mma. It certainly doesn't matter as much as technique or conditioning, but is still certainly a big asset to possess, particularly pertaining to grappling. I don't know many pros, off the top of my head, that don't do some form of resistance training.
theres a video of khabib struggling to bench 195lb in the "mma guys who dont lift" thread if i remember correctly, and pretty much all guys in that area dont lift weights really yet they produce a great amount of champions when considering population size
jon jones could only deadlift 120 kilos when he was a top 10 guy i also remember gsp saying that at the start of his pro career he could not do a pullup.
and this just elite level,lets go to regional pro level and theres even more variation there
im not against lifting weights,i just think that theres a lot o variation with fighters, everyone does stuff their own way.
theres a pretty good convo about this in this thread
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/any-mma-fighter-training-without-lifting-weights.4121799/
Jones could never only DL120 kilos; that just happened to be the weight he was training with. I watched the vid. The pull looks smooth, and nowhere near a 1rm.
No one is ever going to convince me that GSP as an adult could not do single pull-up. I don't care if GSP signs an affidavit.
Khabib is a wrestler from the Caucuses, and not a large man either. It's easily conceivable that he would struggle to press ~200lbs.
theres a video of khabib struggling to bench 195lb in the "mma guys who dont lift" thread if i remember correctly, and pretty much all guys in that area dont lift weights really yet they produce a great amount of champions when considering population size
jon jones could only deadlift 120 kilos when he was a top 10 guy i also remember gsp saying that at the start of his pro career he could not do a pullup.
and this just elite level,lets go to regional pro level and theres even more variation there
im not against lifting weights,i just think that theres a lot o variation with fighters, everyone does stuff their own way.
theres a pretty good convo about this in this thread
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/any-mma-fighter-training-without-lifting-weights.4121799/
Jon is a top 10 fighting in a division below where his frame puts him. I doubt he will look as good fighting HW where he doesn't have a 10 inch reach advantage.
GSP has multiple videos snatching above bodyweight, putting up dozens of pull ups in a row and doing stuff like pistol squats.
Connor can do multiple muscle ups into dragon flags into handstand push ups into levers.
Bench press is one of the least important movements for MMA or even boxing. The military press and dips are much better preasing movements anyway.
There is a video of Tyson Fury deadlifting 250kg for reps with terrible form floating around Youtube.
a) Imagine how much he could lift if he was taught propper form, and...
b) That strength from the deadlift shows up in fights where he turns his opponents and pins them to the ropes. When he leans on them and walks them back to their corners.
Strength absolutely plays a big role in fighting. Strength is also a limiting factor in power, you will never have more power than you have strength, by definition. And power dominates combat sports.
Jon is a top 10 fighting in a division below where his frame puts him. I doubt he will look as good fighting HW where he doesn't have a 10 inch reach advantage.
GSP has multiple videos snatching above bodyweight, putting up dozens of pull ups in a row and doing stuff like pistol squats.
Connor can do multiple muscle ups into dragon flags into handstand push ups into levers.
Bench press is one of the least important movements for MMA or even boxing. The military press and dips are much better preasing movements anyway.
There is a video of Tyson Fury deadlifting 250kg for reps with terrible form floating around Youtube.
a) Imagine how much he could lift if he was taught propper form, and...
b) That strength from the deadlift shows up in fights where he turns his opponents and pins them to the ropes. When he leans on them and walks them back to their corners.
Strength absolutely plays a big role in fighting. Strength is also a limiting factor in power, you will never have more power than you have strength, by definition. And power dominates combat sports.