TRUE or FALSE: you can't gain muscle while training mma

No Skill Gap said:
1. What does Jon Jones' hypothetical, projected success at HW vs LHW have anything to do with the topic at hand? If he indeed gains 5-10 pounds of muscle, along with say 5-10 pounds of fat and is tipping the scales at ~240-250 pounds when he debuts in HW, it sort of proves that you can. But obviously he is going to be lifting weights more during that hiatus v.s. specific grappling/striking/camp stuff.

2. Bodyweight calisthenics and gymnastics really have nothing to do with muscle building either. I'm sure the majority of 125-155ers in the UFC are very good at doing pull ups, push ups, bw movements. They are lighter and athletes. Doesn't mean McGregor packed on 10 pounds of pure muscle just because he moved up to LW from FW or because he can do a muscle up.

3. I would agree on the bench press thing, but that's debatable. Bench press is still one of the best upper-body lifts, especially for mass building. Definitely better than dips for building mass I'd say.

4. Tyson Fury is also 6'9, 254 lbs listed. Probably heavier during the lift? So while it's nothing to laugh at, it's still only barely over 2x bodyweight. It was a single right? With bad form, clearly near his max. If he trained more deadlifting then yes obviously he's going to lift more. Still don't really understand how this relates either.

The initial question is "You can't gain muscle while training MMA, true or false?" To which the answer is obvious: False. Because an untrained person or a fatty can train MMA and gain muscle, you could train MMA and lift, you could train MMA and eat a surplus and gain muscle to some degree. Firas is semi-retarded.

But I agree with your last statement, obviously strength matters a lot.
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Dips can provide every bit the mass gains as bench, where bench really shines is maximal strength development.

Calisthenics, when loaded propperly can provide significant strength development. Someone able to chin twice their bodyweight, hold a back lever for a serious amount of time, and do unaided nordic curls is going to be deadlifting multiple times their own bodyweight straight off the bat. And we know this is true, because there are dozens of reports of professional gymnasts walking to into crossfit gyms and taking up every plate in the place.

Whilst they may be the most optimal, the big 3 are the the only way to build maximal strength.

Connor McGreggor doing fluid gymnastic routine on olympic rings is more impressive than Tank Abbot benching 500lbs.

Also, Tyson Fury being 6'10 means he has awful levers for the deadlift, which makes it all the more impressive.
 
anonorami said:
Did he gain *any muscle* though? Because, well, that was the claim.
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He says it's difficult to gain muscle while doing MMA training

He said his telltale sign for Costa was his performances right before the UFC versus right after and how much bigger, how much stronger, etc he got.... Nothing really particular to Costa's physique.

To act like Georges' body transformation over his whole career is even in the realm of Costa's in just a few years is dishonest.
 
10mm said:
There are variables since everyone is different. How do these guys fool usada if they are using?
Since "everyone is on roids" I suppose its easy.
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Because it is. Guys can cycle pretty safely during USADA. They are allowed 2 missed test per year, the third one will result in a Doping violation though. Even if someone gets drug tested 12 times a year..... they are still gonna be able to fit in a decent cycle..... and if they have good genetics and discipline they will be able to keep most of their gains. There are peds like test suspension that have a detection time of 24-48 hours, by the time they decide to stop cycle they hop off and can test clean in a day or two.


I’m sure people are finding even more ways to use. But that’s just one loop hole.
 
Rand M Arthur said:
Dips can provide every bit the mass gains as bench, where bench really shines is maximal strength development.

Calisthenics, when loaded propperly can provide significant strength development. Someone able to chin twice their bodyweight, hold a back lever for a serious amount of time, and do unaided nordic curls is going to be deadlifting multiple times their own bodyweight straight off the bat. And we know this is true, because there are dozens of reports of professional gymnasts walking to into crossfit gyms and taking up every plate in the place.

Whilst they may be the most optimal, the big 3 are the the only way to build maximal strength.

Connor McGreggor doing fluid gymnastic routine on olympic rings is more impressive than Tank Abbot benching 500lbs.

Also, Tyson Fury being 6'10 means he has awful levers for the deadlift, which makes it all the more impressive.
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No offence but benching 500lbs is WAAAY more impressive than doing a few muscle ups and gymnastic movements. They don’t even compare. Also Tank reportedly had a 600lbs Bench..... just because you are strong or a good athlete doesn’t always make you a great fighter. There is a lot more to it then that.
 
Rand M Arthur said:
Dips can provide every bit the mass gains as bench, where bench really shines is maximal strength development.

Calisthenics, when loaded propperly can provide significant strength development. Someone able to chin twice their bodyweight, hold a back lever for a serious amount of time, and do unaided nordic curls is going to be deadlifting multiple times their own bodyweight straight off the bat. And we know this is true, because there are dozens of reports of professional gymnasts walking to into crossfit gyms and taking up every plate in the place.

Whilst they may be the most optimal, the big 3 are the the only way to build maximal strength.

Connor McGreggor doing fluid gymnastic routine on olympic rings is more impressive than Tank Abbot benching 500lbs.

Also, Tyson Fury being 6'10 means he has awful levers for the deadlift, which makes it all the more impressive.
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This is 100% false and you need to go on with that crap.
 
Depends on your diets, also supplementing with some acai berries works wonder to pack on muscle while training daily
 
Its not easy to do the different types of training, conditioning, and then gain weight.
 
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