Social Transgender vs Trans Race the insane hypocrisy

[kflo]

If they're both social constructs then there really isn't a difference. But even transrace is a bridge too far for the gender cultists at the present time, so they will twist themselves into a pretzel justifying one while dismissing the other. So glad I'm not religious.

ok, white guy says he's black. now what? do i treat them different? how do i "dismiss" their claim?

 

[grimballer]

who will view them differently? and why?

depends where you live... which is a social construct.

in us that person could be considered black cause they have some african ancestry, but in other parts of the world that person would not consider black.

again, the person who is genetically male, yet looks like a woman, identifies as a woman, and lives daily as a woman and has had medical and hormonal work, is much more "socially" a woman than the 1% black nordic is socially black.

again, you're trying to pretend gender = sex.

that's cause transgenderism is promoted...

a man wearing women clothes and pretending to be a woman is encouraged. white guy pretending to be black is not

according to biology its a different story.

 

[BudKing8806]

and what if they are 5'5 and you think they are a woman even though they are genetically male?

That would be great. All they would have to do is keep their mouth shut and no one would ever know differently. Just don't go around saying you were born a man and now expect me to call you a woman.

 

[Sinister]

but thatsvthe part of the "social construct"

even if you dont look certain way, the fact that you have some african ancestry means you can claim to be black.

thats not science, thats social construct. you will view same person differently based on their ancestry.

also gender is meaningless without sex.

you cant separate the 2.

that would be like saying racially im black, but ethically im white

No, that last part is correct. Race and ethnicity are different. You ever explain to a black Caribbean that they're black too? They sometimes dont think they are because theyre ethnically different than African Americans. But make no mistake, they're black for the same reasons. Their ancestors got to the Caribbean the same way, from the same place.

Being white in America was expanded to include more ethnicities which Anglo Americans used to discriminate against.

 

[IamStryker]

But that's literally not reality, and you have to ignore a significant percent of the population to hold this position. My position, that sex isnt binary, is supported by the reality that people exist who dont fit into that binary.

Thats just plain incorrect. Even the people you are referring to are either male or female. You just don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Err]

Thats just plain incorrect. Even the people you are referring to are either male or female. You just don't know what you are talking about.

I tried to explain that with the most mainstream example I could find, Caster Semenya, but I don’t think he wanted to hear it.

 

[grimballer]

and what if they are 5'5 and you think they are a woman even though they are genetically male?

so if i see a person in a convincing bear costume, i still have to pretend its a bear once i find out its actually a person in a costume?

 

[Sinister]

Thats just plain incorrect. Even the people you are referring to are either male or female. You just don't know what you are talking about.

"What does it mean to be intersex? People who are intersex have reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit into an exclusively male or female (binary) sex classification. Intersex traits might be apparent when a person's born, but they might not appear until later (during puberty or even adulthood)"

 

[IamStryker]

That's literally a single opinion.

Klinefelster syndrome is a chromosomal disorder that entails the presence of an extra chromosome. So for all the people who say sex is defined by chromosomes, that contradicts it. Turner is the same for females.

Lol Klinefelster is only for males and Turner is only for females. You really destroyed the sex binary there!

 

[IamStryker]

"What does it mean to be intersex? People who are intersex have reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit into an exclusively male or female (binary) sex classification. Intersex traits might be apparent when a person's born, but they might not appear until later (during puberty or even adulthood)"

These abnormalities affect certain sex characteristics. These people still fit into either male or female. I will use Walshes wording. Either you are of the nature to impregnate or you are of the nature to get pregnant. No one is both and there is no third.

 

[Sinister]

I tried to explain that with the most mainstream example I could find, Caster Semenya, but I don’t think he wanted to hear it.

You explained it to me with the existence of someone who was legally defined as female at birth, who identified as female all their life, until some feelings were had and an organization tried to assert that they were a man and turns out they're an intersex person?

Good explanation

 

[Sinister]

These abnormalities affect certain sex characteristics. These people still fit into either male or female. I will use Walshes wording. Either you are of the nature to impregnate or you are of the nature to get pregnant. No one is both and there is no third.

Lol@biologicial essentialism

Many of these people are infertile and can not do either.

 

[Err]

You explained it to me with the existence of someone who was legally defined as female at birth, who identified as female all their life, until some feelings were had and an organization tried to assert that they were a man and turns out they're an intersex person?

Good explanation

I explained it to you with the existence of someone who was misidentified at birth due to the presence of a superficial vagina as a result of an intersex condition, who has XY chromosomes and internal testes which give them the hormonal profile of their biological sex, which is male.

 

[grimballer]

No, that last part is correct. Race and ethnicity are different. You ever explain to a black Caribbean that they're black too? They sometimes dont think they are because theyre ethnically different than African Americans. But make no mistake, they're black for the same reasons. Their ancestors got to the Caribbean the same way, from the same place.

Being white in America was expanded to include more ethnicities which Anglo Americans used to discriminate against.

white/black is a construct

there are dark skin people from africa who were labeled historically as "black"

there are light skin people from europe who were labeled historically as "white"

and then you got everything in between

its not the same as sex where you have biological male = man and biological female = woman. occasionally you have intersex people, but theyre either males or females with deformity or underdeveloped sexual organs.

 

[djacobox372]

I explained it to you with the existence of someone who was misidentified at birth due to the presence of a superficial vagina as a result of an intersex condition, who has XY chromosomes and internal testes which give them the hormonal profile of their biological sex, which is male.

Can we please stop bringing intersex into the conversation about trans... that's a completely different situation.

Similar to bringing up bi-racial people in a trans-racial debate.

 

[Err]

Can we please stop bringing intersex into the conversation about trans... that's a completely different situation.

Similar to bringing up bi-racial people in a trans-racial debate.

Who am I to tell a mod when he can and can’t derail?

 

[grimballer]

Can we please stop bringing intersex into the conversation about trans... that's a completely different situation.

Similar to bringing up bi-racial people in a trans-racial debate.

the entire point is to blur the lines

how else you gonna convince people that a man in women clothes is not a man, but a woman?

just bring up intersex as if they're the same thing

 

[Sinister]

Lol Klinefelster is only for males and Turner is only for females. You really destroyed the sex binary there!

How they're named is not a biological classification. You know this right? They're not "for"anything, they're named after the person wnd discovered them as they were discovered at different times. They could very easily be combined into one classification that encompasses anyone.

 

[Sinister]

I explained it to you with the existence of someone who was misidentified at birth due to the presence of a superficial vagina as a result of an intersex condition, who has XY chromosomes and internal testes which give them the hormonal profile of their biological sex, which is male.

Interesting how you use "misidentified."

 

[Scerpi]

Sex is a binary, the existence of anomalies doesn’t make it not one. Most of these anomalies also manifest themselves within the binary. For example, Caster Semenya, who has XY chromosomes.

They love these retarded arguments. Because there's a minisucle percentage of people who are born with both gender's sex organs... means that's is completely normal for a dude to chop his penis off to become a woman.

Its like saying the humans aren't always born with two legs, so it's ok for some mentally ill person to chop off one leg because they identify as a one legged person.

No... humans have two legs. And if someone is born with one, then something went wrong. Or two heads or one kidney...

Any retarded argument to rationalize this recent trend.

Amazing how this become a thing in under 10 years.

If all that's left of a body is just a skeleton, there's one thing experts can tell from it, whether the person was a male or female due to bone structure... because there's a fundamental difference male and female.

Anything else is due to brain issues.