Social Transgender vs Trans Race the insane hypocrisy

[IamStryker]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna93759

Look at this article by nbc news. They use the exact same type of arguments against trans racialism that the right uses against transgenderism then they try to justify it with this terrible argument,

"RCTA and transracialism — which came to the forefront because of controversial figures like Rachel Dolezal — have been compared to being transgender. However, psychologists and activists push back against comparisons.

Tiq Milan, a Black transgender activist and writer, said it is a disservice to transgender people to compare the two. Race historically emerged as a social construct to establish a racial hierarchy with the white race at the top, whereas variances in gender identity have existed for thousands of years, he said.

“When it comes to who we are as racialized people, it is how we present to the world, but it’s also how people treat you,” Milan said. “It’s not just putting on the hair and the makeup and talking and walking [in] a kind of way. That is fetishizing, and it’s objectifying, and it reduces the beautiful and complicated cultures of people of color.”


This argument that variances in gender identity have existed for thousands of years is nonsense. The belief that men can actually be women and vice versa is purely a western social construct. On top of that why would this somehow mean that you can't change your race? They try to claim race wasn't even constructed until it was made to put whites at the top but that is absurd. Race has long been a part of history.

Then how they mock people who fetishize race is hilarious. Reducing race just down to appearance and how someone walks and talks is exactly what is done with transgenderism. Many men literally do fetishize the thought of being a woman. How these people can condemn trans racialism while completely supporting transgenderism is a masterclass in cognitive dissonance.

 

[The_Renaissance]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna93759

Look at this article by nbc news. They use the exact same type of arguments against trans racialism that the right uses against transgenderism then they try to justify it with this terrible argument,

"RCTA and transracialism — which came to the forefront because of controversial figures like Rachel Dolezal — have been compared to being transgender. However, psychologists and activists push back against comparisons.

Tiq Milan, a Black transgender activist and writer, said it is a disservice to transgender people to compare the two. Race historically emerged as a social construct to establish a racial hierarchy with the white race at the top, whereas variances in gender identity have existed for thousands of years, he said.

“When it comes to who we are as racialized people, it is how we present to the world, but it’s also how people treat you,” Milan said. “It’s not just putting on the hair and the makeup and talking and walking [in] a kind of way. That is fetishizing, and it’s objectifying, and it reduces the beautiful and complicated cultures of people of color.”

Edit: will add more later today.

There is no difference on paper. Both are nonsense. But one element - people of colour will push back and say this is absolutely nonsense. Whereas women who do that will be silenced.

Victimhood Olympics. Know your role in the hierarchy of who matters the most.

Transracial - black beats white. Regardless of what the transracial says.

Transgender - man has more rights than women or vice versa IF they claim to be the other.

It's absolute nonsense.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Welcome to the world of tomorrow!

 

[HereticBD]

We all know it's bullshit. As this heats up with our mentally retarded youth who are taking "identity" as superficial in how they can change them at will, and yet still literal as possible as to treat them as who(or what) they say they are, they're gonna have to come up with some wild excuses as to why having "multiple personality disorder" isn't a mental health issue. This Pandoras Box is not getting closed any time soon. In the next ten years, we'll be having "conversations" as to why people cant identify as whatever they want, and get all the special treatment because of it. Dog? Sure. Somebody didn't rub your belly, and call you a "good boy", as you frolicked around naked in the grocery store while walking on all fours? Well, that's a discrimination lawsuit.

To all the people of past generations, who thought we'd have flying cars n' shit by now, we're sorry. For any WW vets, we're doubly sorry that you fought for this utter fucking nonsense.

 

[muhammadgoatli]

"Practitioners of “race change to another,” or RCTA, purport to be able to manifest physical changes in their appearance and even their genetics to truly become a different race."



Wait a sec...

 

[Fox by the Sea]

when your grift exposes the grift of another, therefore the other gets mad at your grift.
also race is a social construct but you can't change social constructs unless they're about gender because of reasons.

that's why these dudes push to be defended by force of law. cause their arguments completely collapse even when confronted by a kindergarten level debate team.

 

[BearGrounds]

Race historically emerged as a social construct to establish a racial hierarchy with the white race at the top.

Wasn't long before that leftist anti-white racism reared its head, was it? Leftists hate white people, so naturally they cannot allow for anyone to self identify as any given race (even though they'll tell you it's a social construct), as it would not allow them to apply their racist thinking anymore.

"Rachel Dolezal can't be black, because then I can't treat her like an oppressor, something I do based on race (oppressors = white people). But I'm not a racist, I swear."

This shit is so pants on head retarded LMAO. You don't have to use reason, when the people you're selling your illogical subversive propaganda to want to believe it.

Leftists have been programmed to be racist against whites, and to support validating destructive delusions in order to deliver mentally struggling individuals into the hands of a corrupt medical/pharmaceutical industry (for monetary and ideological exploitation).

When faced with the parallel that is transculturalism, they cannot accept it because it immediately exposes their foolishness with regards to transgenderism. Denial is the only option, aside from admitting wrongdoing (which they won't do, because then they have to face the reality that they enabled the mass promotion of child mutilation and mental illness; it would probably make them blue screen crash).

This article is basically NBC showing themselves to be compromised and corrupt, but it doesn't even matter. The libs will lap this shit up anyway (as is by design. As articles like this is how they try to stay ahead of what they know to be a valid critique of their madness), and continue on doing the devil's work.

 

[Loiosh]

For any WW vets, we're doubly sorry that you fought for this utter fucking nonsense.

Are you sorry that the GI bill was denied to a million black WWII veterans?

I wonder what they were fighting for.

 

[SakurabasEar]

Wasn't long before that leftist anti-white racism reared its head, was it? Leftists hate white people, so naturally they cannot allow for anyone to self identify as any given race, as it would not allow them to apply their racist thinking anymore.

"Rachel Dolezal can't be black, because then I can't treat her like an oppressor, something I do based on race (oppressors = white people). But I'm not a racist, I swear."

This shit is so pants on head retarded LMAO. You don't have to use reason, when the people you're selling your illogical subversive propaganda to want to believe it.

Leftists have been programmed to be racist against whites, and to support validating destructive delusions in order to deliver mentally struggling individuals into the hands of a corrupt medical/pharmaceutical industry (for monetary and ideological exploitation).

When faced with the parallel that is transculturalism, they cannot accept it because it immediately exposes their foolishness with regards to transgenderism. Denial is the only option, aside from admitting wrongdoing (which they won't do, because then they have to face the reality that they enabled the mass promotion of child mutilation and mental illness; it would probably make them blue screen crash).

This article is basically NBC showing themselves to be compromised and corrupt, but it doesn't even matter. The libs will lap this shit up anyway (as is by design. As articles like this is how they try to stay ahead of what they know to be a valid critique of their madness), and continue on doing the devil's work.

This, and theres not much more I could add. The damege that this kind of ideology has done in just the last 15 years isnt even measurable

 

[nostradumbass]

Tiq Milan, a Black transgender activist and writer, said it is a disservice to transgender people to compare the two. Race historically emerged as a social construct to establish a racial hierarchy with the white race at the top, whereas variances in gender identity have existed for thousands of years, he said.

You would think black people would welcome "transracialism" if they actually believed in all this white privilege for black people to identify as white to gain some of that privilege, or for white people to finally feel the oppression. That is of course unless this transgender activist is suggesting that it's stupid and unreasonable to think or expect people to treat you as the race with which you "identify" when everyone knows you're not.

 

[kflo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna93759

Look at this article by nbc news. They use the exact same type of arguments against trans racialism that the right uses against transgenderism then they try to justify it with this terrible argument,

"RCTA and transracialism — which came to the forefront because of controversial figures like Rachel Dolezal — have been compared to being transgender. However, psychologists and activists push back against comparisons.

Tiq Milan, a Black transgender activist and writer, said it is a disservice to transgender people to compare the two. Race historically emerged as a social construct to establish a racial hierarchy with the white race at the top, whereas variances in gender identity have existed for thousands of years, he said.

“When it comes to who we are as racialized people, it is how we present to the world, but it’s also how people treat you,” Milan said. “It’s not just putting on the hair and the makeup and talking and walking [in] a kind of way. That is fetishizing, and it’s objectifying, and it reduces the beautiful and complicated cultures of people of color.”


This argument that variances in gender identity have existed for thousands of years is nonsense. The belief that men can actually be women and vice versa is purely a western social construct. On top of that why would this somehow mean that you can't change your race? They try to claim race wasn't even constructed until it was made to put whites at the top but that is absurd. Race has long been a part of history.

Then how they mock people who fetishize race is hilarious. Reducing race just down to appearance and how someone walks and talks is exactly what is done with transgenderism. Many men literally do fetishize the thought of being a woman. How these people can condemn trans racialism while completely supporting transgenderism is a masterclass in cognitive dissonance.

practically, what is the implication of not being (or being) acknowledged officially as trans race? what limitations are there? is the lack of acceptance only relevant for race based hiring or admissions practices?

 

[Zazen]

Isn’t there already a trans mega thread for this sort of thing?

 

[Loiosh]

Wasn't long before that leftist anti-white racism reared its head, was it? Leftists hate white people, so naturally they cannot allow for anyone to self identify as any given race (even though they'll tell you it's a social construct), as it would not allow them to apply their racist thinking anymore.

"Rachel Dolezal can't be black, because then I can't treat her like an oppressor, something I do based on race (oppressors = white people). But I'm not a racist, I swear."

This shit is so pants on head retarded LMAO. You don't have to use reason, when the people you're selling your illogical subversive propaganda to want to believe it.

Leftists have been programmed to be racist against whites, and to support validating destructive delusions in order to deliver mentally struggling individuals into the hands of a corrupt medical/pharmaceutical industry (for monetary and ideological exploitation).

When faced with the parallel that is transculturalism, they cannot accept it because it immediately exposes their foolishness with regards to transgenderism. Denial is the only option, aside from admitting wrongdoing (which they won't do, because then they have to face the reality that they enabled the mass promotion of child mutilation and mental illness; it would probably make them blue screen crash).

This article is basically NBC showing themselves to be compromised and corrupt, but it doesn't even matter. The libs will lap this shit up anyway (as is by design. As articles like this is how they try to stay ahead of what they know to be a valid critique of their madness), and continue on doing the devil's work.

Do you think I hate white people?

 

[The_Renaissance]

Do you think I hate white people?

Dunno. But you certainly loathe what they represent. That goes for poor, destitute white people too. You 100% loathe what they represent to you

 

[BearGrounds]

Do you think I hate white people?

Idk man, I can't for the life of me understand why someone would go along with all of the anti-white rhetoric from the left, if they didn't at least harbor some sort of negative emotions regarding the race.

 

[Loiosh]

Dunno. But you certainly loathe what they represent. That goes for poor, destitute white people too. You 100% loathe what they represent to you

Idk man, I can't for the life of me understand why someone would go along with all of the anti-white rhetoric from the left, if they didn't at least harbor some sort of negative emotions regarding the race.

Nah.

I hate what some white people do, that doesn't mean I hate white people. If I lived some place else I'd complain about what the majority there did. Wrong is wrong.

It feels like people who defend against these criticisms are taking it personally, and why would you if you aren't doing those things? Why not just ignore it or say "those people suck"?

 

[mkess101]

Nah.

I hate what some white people do, that doesn't mean I hate white people. If I lived some place else I'd complain about what the majority there did. Wrong is wrong.

It feels like people who defend against these criticisms are taking it personally, and why would you if you aren't doing those things? Why not just ignore it or say "those people suck"?

Just doesn't seem like a productive way to talk. "I hate what some WHITE people do, doesn't mean I hate white people." Imagine saying that about another race. You'd have a whole lot of people looking at you like "Uhh...yeah dude...you seem to be toeing that racism line there pretty close..."

Like...why would you need to even put "white" in there. That implies that you DON'T hate what some black or latino or asian or _________ do? And it's only white people here because they're the majority?

IDK, I hate what some people of every race, background, gender, etc. do. But in NONE of those cases would I let that turn me against an entire group. Whether they were the overwhelming majority, or the tiniest minority.

 

[Loiosh]

Just doesn't seem like a productive way to talk. "I hate what some WHITE people do, doesn't mean I hate white people." Imagine saying that about another race. You'd have a whole lot of people looking at you like "Uhh...yeah dude...you seem to be toeing that racism line there pretty close..."

Like...why would you need to even put "white" in there. That implies that you DON'T hate what some black or latino or asian or _________ do? And it's only white people here because they're the majority?

IDK, I hate what some people of every race, background, gender, etc. do. But in NONE of those cases would I let that turn me against an entire group. Whether they were the overwhelming majority, or the tiniest minority.

I absolutely do hate what some black people do, people are people.

We're on a political forum where a lot of people laugh at the idea of white supremacy. I'm not against white people, I'm against white supremacy, which conservatives seem impelled to defend.

 

[mkess101]

I absolutely do hate what some black people do, people are people.

We're on a political forum where a lot of people laugh at the idea of white supremacy. I'm not against white people, I'm against white supremacy, which conservatives seem impelled to defend.

I think it's likely that most of them just define white supremecy differently than you do. IDK...seems like true unifiers are pretty hard to come by these days. Part of the problem being that divisiveness can be packaged and sold for profit so easily. And not just by one "side". By anyone of any ideology that understands how to capitalize on emotions.

I digress...

 

[HereticBD]

I think it's likely that most of them just define white supremecy differently than you do.

Wait...so I didn't kill MLK?