Topuria is awsome, but he was almost KO'd by an unranked fighter

[Legendary]

Textbook concern-trolling right here

Im not trying to troll brother. No disrepect to you. You are one of my favorite members

 

[joy2day]

It happens to the best MMA fighters.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Aside of all of the arguing going around in this thread, Topuria isnt the biggest FW and would be outsized on at least one aspect by every LW in the top 15, his last LW try against a low tier LW ended up going his way but it wasnt pretty, bad move going to LW but he probably knows something we dont.

What he knows that we don't is that the 145 cut is killing him and he doesn't want to do it anymore.
I agree that he won't be steamrolling LW even if he does get the belt in his fight with Charles, but Ilia will be a fun addition to the division.
I've stated in other threads, I'll always praise a fighter for moving up in weight (except Jones until he fights Tom) to fight closer to their walk around weight. Extreme weight cutting is the biggest issue in the sport leading to shorter careers.

 

[El Fernas]

Thats Carlos Condit , there is a difference between getting almost caught by him than by Jai Herbert... comical.

 

[joy2day]

Thats Carlos Condit , there is a difference between getting almost caught by him than by Jai Herbert... comical.

Not much of a difference. Getting caught is actually something that happens to most MMA fighters; the idea that you a lesser fighter because you got caught with something is for children. It means nothing. Fedor got caught by Fujita, who wasn't that good. That's why they call it a puncher's chance.

 

[MMAProfessional]

If Ilia would be at LW this would eventually happen to him. It almost did in his very first fight where as Islam got cracked once in over 18 UFC fights.

This was over 10 years ago and Islam has become the most accomplished Lightweight ever and the P4P #1.

Ilia has beaten old dudes with super mileage where as Islam fought the best of best at a higher and more competitive weight class.

Islam is obviously more proven but I think it's dumb that people choose him getting rocked by Herbert and automatically use that as he's not going to do well. The more glaring thing is that Ilia is pretty small (not sure how he says he can't make FW anymore.) Beating Charles will be pretty impressive although Charles doesn't have the greatest chin in the world.

 

[Chagaev]

It wasn't just the headkick, Herbert also caught him with a knee to the head while Topuria was closing the distance.

The fight showed that Topuria has a very good chin, but also that with his style and size he has to take chances against longer opponents- which is obvious, I guess.

 

[Legendary]

Not much of a difference. Getting caught is actually something that happens to most MMA fighters; the idea that you a lesser fighter because you got caught with something is for children. It means nothing. Fedor got caught by Fujita, who wasn't that good. That's why they call it a puncher's chance.

I usually agree with your takes but you are wrong here. With that mentality, it doesn't matter if you win or lose because you got caught. If one fighter never gets caught, and another does, I would argue that the one who doesnt get caught is superior. Thats literally half the sport.

Also yes getting caught by Condit is another universe in terms of skill compared to getting caught by Herbert. I can't even believe you would suggest that.

 

[OmegaRugal]

Arman 23( up and comer)
Charles 32(Prime)
Dustin 35(Maybe a year or two past prime but still competitive.)

Volk 35( just ko brutally KO'd)
Max 32(has been fighting for over 15 years)
Emmett 38 old as fuck

Just shut the fuck up dude lol

Add the fact that Islam is into his 30s and Topuria is still in his 20s.

So they share Volk

Charles and Maz same age

Love how u leave out Bryce Mitchell the one in his 2o.

So no … I won’t shut up. Cognitive dissonance indeed.

 

[Rhood]

Aside of all of the arguing going around in this thread, Topuria isnt the biggest FW and would be outsized on at least one aspect by every LW in the top 15, his last LW try against a low tier LW ended up going his way but it wasnt pretty, bad move going to LW but he probably knows something we dont.

He's getting a gifted..........no wait.........he's getting a GIFTED wrapped bowtie cherry picked opponent by fighting Charles Oliviera.
I can't think of a bigger mismatch for his 1st LW fight.

He should've been matched up against Arman or gotten a real challenge by fighting Islam.
I hate the fact that Topuria is cherry picking his way to a title shot. It discredits him as a fighter and makes it look like he's going after easy fights.

 

[joy2day]

I usually agree with your takes but you are wrong here. With that mentality, it doesn't matter if you win or lose because you got caught. If one fighter never gets caught, and another does, I would argue that the one who doesnt get caught is superior. Thats literally half the sport.

Also yes getting caught by Condit is another universe in terms of skill compared to getting caught by Herbert. I can't even believe you would suggest that.

While ignoring my other example?

The thread subject is how someone (Illia) is somehow a lesser fighter because they got caught by someone who (apparently) isn't great. Well, lots of top fighters have gotten caught by someone that isn't great, e.g. Fedor against Fujita. It happens, and doesn't mean they are a lesser fighter, it just means they got caught and were able to recover. It actually is a positive to show that they can recover.

There have been examples of fighters actually getting caught and knocked out by lesser fighters and coming back to easily win in the rematch, like GSP/Serra or CC/Randleman.

Getting caught and rocked happens to virtually everyone; it's part of the reason the sport has so much parity, and part of the reasons rematches are close to 50/50 on the UFC.

 

[tritestill]

He's getting a gifted..........no wait.........he's getting a GIFTED wrapped bowtie cherry picked opponent by fighting Charles Oliviera.
I can't think of a bigger mismatch for his 1st LW fight.

He should've been matched up against Arman or gotten a real challenge by fighting Islam.
I hate the fact that Topuria is cherry picking his way to a title shot. It discredits him as a fighter and makes it look like he's going after easy fights.

Calling Charles a cherry picked fight is delusional

 

[Goldentrophy]

He's getting a gifted..........no wait.........he's getting a GIFTED wrapped bowtie cherry picked opponent by fighting Charles Oliviera.
I can't think of a bigger mismatch for his 1st LW fight.

He should've been matched up against Arman or gotten a real challenge by fighting Islam.
I hate the fact that Topuria is cherry picking his way to a title shot. It discredits him as a fighter and makes it look like he's going after easy fights.

He isn't cherry-picking; he wanted Islam but Islam moved up with the Belal loss.

He couldn't fight Arman because Dana had said(verbatim) he needed to get another win since he pulled out of the title fight the day before,no way Dana has Arman fight for the vacant.

Therefore, Charles fights Illa for the vacant belt, I can't see the cherry picking with all of this.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

That’s what happens when fighters are on the come up. Thats like saying Anderson got heel hooked by a random Japanese dude or Oliveira was a mid tier fighter at FW so he can’t do well at lightweight

 

[188912345]

Most fighters have actual losses on their record before ascending to the top.

Giving someone a hard time for getting hurt, recovering, and eventually winning, is very weird to me.

It actually proves something people usually doubt about someone who is running through everyone, that he's indeed tough enough to handle adversity in a fight.

 

[laleggenda27]

There is reason 145ers rarely go to 155, its because of the size and skill difference.

Conor, Dustin, Max, Hooker, Moicano, and Grant Dawson have entered the chat. And that's just active fighters and doesn't include guys who dropped to FW in the UFC and later moved back up.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

145 to 155 isn't that big a difference. If you are top tier at 145 you should be at 155 too. Especially as you get older the weight cutting isn't for everyone. Hof boxers have been moving up 2 or 3 weight classes minimum since the 20s its not that big of a deal or super impressive honestly

 

[Eater of Souls]

Not much of a difference. Getting caught is actually something that happens to most MMA fighters; the idea that you a lesser fighter because you got caught with something is for children. It means nothing. Fedor got caught by Fujita, who wasn't that good. That's why they call it a puncher's chance.

Fujita's striking was fucking dogshit.

Which further illustrates your point.

 

[Aurelian]

Bobby Green was late replacement. You are trying to paint a reality that doesn't exist.

Ilia got a title shot after decisioning a 38 year old Emmett.

That was a 50-42 decision on one judges card. Not really a normal decision win. That shit was probably embarrassing for Josh.

That KO of Herbert is so fucking nasty, but yeah he got rocked and almost put away. That kind of thing can happen though when you're up against pro fighters. Everybody gets hit. Being able to quickly recover is a good trait to have.

 

[xhaydenx]

If Ilia would be at LW this would eventually happen to him. It almost did in his very first fight where as Islam got cracked once in over 18 UFC fights.

This was over 10 years ago and Islam has become the most accomplished Lightweight ever and the P4P #1.

Ilia has beaten old dudes with super mileage where as Islam fought the best of best at a higher and more competitive weight class.

Got high kicked once and rocked in a fight he took on short notice a weight class up with no camp does not mean Topuria will eventually get KOd lol.

Other than that one head kick, no one has really hurt Topuria. Meanwhile, Islam got sparked out by Martins on his way up. By your logic, if one head kick means Topuria is eventually gonna get knocked out, then Islam is definitely set to get KOf as well.

Max and Volk weren't old when Topuria beat them. Max is still only 33 lol. It doesn't matter if they have mileage. Max and Volk are still beating everyone in their division.

And Max and Volk in their own division are better wins than any of Islam's at LW by a fucking mile. Look at Islam's record. The great Bobby Green on short notice. The Amazing Drew Dober on short notice. Mid Moiciano on short notice. Arman on short notice. 4 rounds with Moises. Dan Hooker lol.

The only decent wins he has in his division against guys who aren't named Volk is Charles and Dustin, but even Dustin was past it, and he still gave him a tough fight.