Top 3 MMA Heavyweights of all time: 1. Fedor 2. DC 3. Miocic

[GOATtalks]

1./2. Fedor/ Stipe
3. DC
4. Ngannou

 

[cheesus]

Fedor, Nog or Stipe then the rest.

 

[DayV]

Lol, Ngannou has wins over 3 guys in that list. He has more accomplishments than Werdum and CroCop as well. What’s your reasoning to not include him even in top8 at HW, but to have CroCop there? CroCop’s best achievement was being the 3rd best guy of his time, lol

Cro Cop was #2 behind GOAT Fedor and above Nogueira on majority of rankings in 2003 & 2006, and on some in 2005. And he did not get his desrved chance to rematch Fedor because he simply could not reach him in 2007 due to politics and higher force. Mirko won one of 2 world titles that Pride had, he was world champion by tournament system.

Cro Cop has double ammount of good MMA wins than Ngannou, Cormier or Cain. If you become #1 with short career and short win list, it does not mean that you are automatically above all time than everbody else who were not #1, but have much richer and extensive careers.

 

[Captain_Dammitt]

Wasn't DC 2-2 in HW title fights in the UFC? His overall resume is probably better than any single HW but that's partially because HWs can't move up. I think the Fedor, Stipe, Werdum trio is pretty solid. Big Nog won titles in the UFC and PRIDE, that should count for something. Couture won the belt like three times.

 

[GOATtalks]

Cro Cop was #2 behind GOAT Fedor and above Nogueira on majority of rankings in 2003 & 2006, and on some in 2005. And he did not get his desrved chance to rematch Fedor because he simply could not reach him in 2007 due to politics and higher force. Mirko won one of 2 world titles that Pride had, he was world champion by tournament system.

Cro Cop has double ammount of good MMA wins than Ngannou, Cormier or Cain. If you become #1 with short career and short win list, it does not mean that you are automatically above all time than everbody else who were not #1, but have much richer and extensive careers.

Why the f*ck would you consider CroCop #2 at the time, when he lost both to Fedor and Nog? And he lost to Hunt and Randleman. You have to remember that UFC had HW’s at the time too. He was just a top5 guy. Here are some of rankings of that time.


CroCop also didn’t have more top wins than Ngannou. Ngannou had:

Stipe, Gane, Overeem, Blaydes x2, JDS, Cain, Rozenstruick, Arlovski

CroCop had:

Barnett x3, Igor, Coleman, Randleman, Herring, Wanderlei, Gonzaga

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Stipe should at least be ahead of DC.

Wins over:
Reem, JDS, Francis, Werdum, and of course DC twice.

Agree. Cormier had a great career but as a HW Stipe clearly did more. I don’t hold the trilogy against DC because he was clearly shot by the end but Stipe beat Werdum and Francis, among others. Too much for DC to overcome in an abbreviated HW career.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Wasn't DC 2-2 in HW title fights in the UFC? His overall resume is probably better than any single HW but that's partially because HWs can't move up. I think the Fedor, Stipe, Werdum trio is pretty solid. Big Nog won titles in the UFC and PRIDE, that should count for something. Couture won the belt like three times.

Nog is ahead of DC IMO.

 

[DayV]

Why the f*ck would you consider CroCop #2 at the time, when he lost both to Fedor and Nog? And he lost to Hunt and Randleman. You have to remember that UFC had HW’s at the time too. He was just a top5 guy. Here are some of rankings of that time.
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Those are not rankings of that time. Fightmatrix is computer generated 15 years later, it did not exist at that time, and has nothing to do how people viewed things at those times.

Here are original and genuine rankings from those times:

2003

MMA Weekly, fighters & Broadcasters poll
HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION - (210-265 lbs.)
October 2003
1. Emelianeko Fedor - 96 Points (7 first place votes)
2. Mirko Cro Cop - 89 Points (2 first place votes)
3. Tim Sylvia - 80 Points (1 first place vote)
4. Minotauro Nogueira - 68 Points
5. Josh Barnett - 67 Points
6. Ricco Rodriguez- 40 Points
7. Andrei Arlovski - 27 Points
8. Gan McGee- 23 Points
9. Heath Herring - 18 Points
10. Pedro Rizzo - 15 Points
https://web.archive.org/web/20031206034046/http://www.mmaweekly.com/this_week/top10/index.html

MMA Collective MMA ranks
Oct 12, 2003
1. Fedor Emilianenko
2. Mirko Cro Cop Filipovic
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Josh Barnett
6. Ricco Rodriguez
7. Valdimir Matyushenko
8. Gan McGee
9. Frank Mir
10. Bobby Hoffman
https://web.archive.org/web/20031017152729/http://mmaranks.com/

Cro Cop was #2 on Sherdog fan vote October 2003 - from Nogueira's record:
WIN - Mirko Filipovic - Nov / 9 / 2003 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2003
6 P4P - 2003 - Oct 31 - Sherdog-Fan Vote
2 hw - 2003 - Oct 31 - Sherdog-Fan Vote
3 hw - 2003 - Oct 31 - MMA Media Top 10
2 hw - 2003 - OCT - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
2 hw - 2003 - Oct 12 - The MMA Collective-MMARanks
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/minotauro-has-3-times-more-top-10-wins-than-frank-mir.2708993/

2005.

MMA TOP 10: FIGHTERS AND BROADCASTERS POLL - MMAWeekly
August 12, 2005

Fedor Emelianenko – 100 Points (10 first place votes)
Mirko Cro Cop – 88 Points
Minotauro Nogueira – 85 Points
Andrei Arlovski – 69 Points
Sergei Kharitonov- 59 Points
Frank Mir – 46 Points
Josh Barnett – 37 Points
Tim Sylvia- 25 Points
Heath Herring – 19 Points
Alexsander Emelinanenko – 15 points
https://www.mmaweekly.com/mma-top-10-fighters-and-broadcasters-poll-3

2006.

MMA News
September 30, 2006

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Cro Cop
3. Josh Barnett
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Aleksander Emelianenko
7. Andrei Arlovski
8. Fabricio Werdum
9. Sergei Kharitonov
10. Mark Hunt
https://web.archive.org/web/20061114234748/http://www.mmanews.com:80/page.php?page=rankings

MMA Fighting
December 2, 2006

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Cro Cop
3. Josh Barnett
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Fabricio Werdum
7. Mark Hunt
8. Andrei Arlovski
9. Aleksander Emelianenko
10. Brandon Vera
https://web.archive.org/web/2006121...g.com:80/articles/topten/9_november_2006.html

MMA Collective - MMARanks.com
Sept 17, 2006
1. Fedor Emilianenko
2. Mirko Filipovic
3. Josh Barnett
4. Rodrigo Nogueira
5. Alex Emilianenko
6. Tim Sylvia
7. Andrei Arlovski
8. Jeff Monson
9. Fabricio Werdum
10. Sergei Kharitonov
https://web.archive.org/web/20061115185517/http://www.mmaranks.com:80/hw

CroCop had:

Barnett x3, Igor, Coleman, Randleman, Herring, Wanderlei, Gonzaga

You forgot bunch of others:
Fujita x2, Nelson, Sakuraba, Waterman, Yoshida, Magomedov, King Mo, Alex Emelianenko...

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tck-star-rating-system-the-heavyweights.4106864/

 

[Khamzat]

That list sucks.

Indeed.

should be

1. Fedor
2. Stipe
3. Cro Cop

DC is not even top 5.

 

[orca]

Tell Sylvia and arlovski that. Former ufc champs

u believe sylvia and arlovskie can beat cain right?
so thats his biggest win?
lol those guys wont survive the guys stipe fought

 

[orca]

were you dropped on your head when you were born or something to think this??

nope fedors best wins where nog and cro cop
they wont survive the guys stipe fought
you also believe bruce lee would beat tyson in a street fight right?

 

[Stagliano]

DC isn't even close. He barely has any good HW fights.

Lol he has beaten Prime Big foot, Prime Nelson, Barnett, Mir and Stipe but he doesn't have any good win at HW? Ok bud.

 

[HHJ]

u believe sylvia and arlovskie can beat cain right?
so thats his biggest win?
lol those guys wont survive the guys stipe fought

Fedor lost to guys that he would have beaten in his prime
JDS was able to beat Stipe when JDS still had it.
See how that works?

 

[orca]

Fedor lost to guys that he would have beaten in his prime
JDS was able to beat Stipe when JDS still had it.
See how that works?

fedor is 32 years old
oldman stipe would have brutalized mw hendo at baldonado
whe are talking about past prime stipe
fedor lost when he was in his early 30s lol
thats how wide the skill gap of stipe is from fedor
fedors resume still look like trash if u compare it to stipes

 

[HHJ]

fedor is 32 years old
oldman stipe would have brutalized mw hendo at baldonado
whe are talking about past prime stipe
fedor lost when he was in his early 30s lol
thats how wide the skill gap of stipe is from fedor
fedors resume still look like trash if u compare it to stipes

I mean they have fantasy forums for this sort of thing,you dont have to put this bullshit in here.

 

[Lee_]

Fedor
Nog
Werdum/Stipe

After that, it gets hazy. A bunch of fighters all occupy similar space. Not to mention we now have intergenerational comparisons.

Fedor
Nog
Werdum/Stipe/Barnett/Cain/JDS/CC
Everyone else

 

[Fergelmince]

Indeed he barely touched him + he got time to recover so your argument is totally pointless anyway.

I'm asking for a clear evidence such as this (i'm not asking for the Moon, just a very simple thing) :

There were hundreds of cameras, yet you can't bring a single picture of an eye poke...

Ask yourself this question and here's the answer : you can't because the evidence don't exist.

All what people have against Cormier are GIFs with bad angles, not a single clear and sharp evidence against him, nothing outside of GIFs from weird angles.

But here's the so-called eye poke under another angle anyway :

Anyone can check out the video at the lowest reading speed and see it's mostly bullshit (timestamped) :

I don't see any eye poke, you're just making a vague statement out of nothing.

Once again, there were hundreds of cameras, yet you can't bring a single clear and sharp evidence against Cormier.

No matter how blatant, I'm sure you'll never "see" an eyepoke. Miocic's retina just detached itself.

Report: Stipe Miocic sidelined until 2020 after suffering ‘major retina injury’ from Daniel Cormier eye pokes

https://www.mmamania.com/2019/9/25/...a-injury-ufc-241-daniel-cormier-eye-pokes-mma

 

[JKS]

This is my list for top 3 MMA Heavyweights of all time:

1. Fedor (obviously)
2. DC
3. Miocic

Do you agree? If not, why? And what is your list?

Opinions?

Discuss.

1. Fedor
2. Stipe
3. Big Nog

 

[Yellowcrab]

No matter how blatant, I'm sure you'll never "see" an eyepoke. Miocic's retina just detached itself.

Report: Stipe Miocic sidelined until 2020 after suffering ‘major retina injury’ from Daniel Cormier eye pokes

https://www.mmamania.com/2019/9/25/...a-injury-ufc-241-daniel-cormier-eye-pokes-mma

Nobody cares, injuries happen all the time in fighting sports.

https://www.sportsmed.theclinics.com/article/S0278-5919(09)00048-9/fulltext : i guess they still do eye pokes in boxing, right ?

 

[Blastbeat]

one of my fantasy fights would be Pride era prime Fedor vs prime HW champ Stipe. 2 of the GOATS goin at it in their prime. dont know who would come out on top.
i think the top 5 heavyweights in MMA has to include, in no particular order - Stipe, Werdum, Fedor, Big Nog, and DC. Cain acceptable as well.