Top 10 Heavyweights ever

[CoffeeAndBeer]

Brock >>> all those pretenders. Won the UFC belt at MMA's peak.

 

[Brazilian007]

HW "Champs" who were NEVER CONSENSUS #1...

• Randy Couture - UFC
• Kevin Randleman - UFC
• Maurice Smith - UFC
• Josh Barnett - UFC
• Frank Mir - UFC
• Andre Arlovski - UFC
• Tim Sylvia - UFC
• Alistair Overeem - Strikeforce
• Ricco Rodriguez - UFC

Yes most of those UFC guys were not #1 because during that time Pride had factually the better HW division.

Overall, I think Cain has to go above JDS exactly because of their second and third fights.

Cain only beat

JDS
Big Foot
Browne
Old Nog

We got robbed of his prime years by him never facing Overeem, Carwin, who else? Mir?

But yeah him maybe Cain should be top 5

Fedor
Stipe
Werdum
Cain
Then JDS?

I can also see putting Stipe above Fedor

 

[BFoe]

Your list highlights some of the tougher problems. JDS over Cain isn't easy, because of, well, the beating s JDS took at Cain's hands. But Cain's resume does hurt him in all time rankings. I actually like Stipe over Nog, but that isn't an easy call either.

I think last time I did this list, I had Nog #2 and Stipe #3. I just waffle on that a lot. The more times I do this, and look at it, I find myself thinking:

• Cain’s overall resume is pretty thin, and if I was truly ranking by resume like I claim, he should probably be a lot lower.
  
• JDS has a pretty sick resume, and I should probably rank him higher.
• Stipe’s resume looks worse each time I review it. I call him the UFC HW GOAT, but I wonder how I’ll feel about that 3-5 years from now.

Overall, I think Cain has to go above JDS exactly because of their second and third fights.

Hey, as long as you’re consistent, and put Will Brooks above Michael Chandler on LW rankings, and Dennis Hallman above Hughes on WW rankings, I say go for it.

 

[Exarch01]

Yes most of those UFC guys were not #1 because during that time Pride had factually the better HW division.


Cain only beat

JDS
Big Foot
Browne
Old Nog

We got robbed of his prime years by him never facing Overeem, Carwin, who else? Mir?

But yeah him maybe Cain should be top 5

Fedor
Stipe
Werdum
Cain
Then JDS?

I can also see putting Stipe above Fedor

Don't forget when Cain beat the shit out of Brock. That's a good win. I agree, we missed out on a lot of good match ups with Cain.

I suggest Big Nog for the #5 spot:

1: Fedor
2: Stipe
3: Werdum
4: Cain
5: Big Nog

 

[Exarch01]

I think last time I did this list, I had Nog #2 and Stipe #3. I just waffle on that a lot. The more times I do this, and look at it, I find myself thinking:

• Cain’s overall resume is pretty thin, and if I was truly ranking by resume like I claim, he should probably be a lot lower.
  
• JDS has a pretty sick resume, and I should probably rank him higher.
• Stipe’s resume looks worse each time I review it. I call him the UFC HW GOAT, but I wonder how I’ll feel about that 3-5 years from now.

Hey, as long as you’re consistent, and put Will Brooks above Michael Chandler on LW rankings, and Dennis Hallman above Hughes on WW rankings, I say go for it.

Little more to factor in there buddy.

 

[Midget Boxer]

1. Fedor
2. Stipe
3. Werdum
4. Ngannou
5. Cain

 

[Shaddows]

How come you can't follow simple instructions? You're being a bad dumbass.

nah, kid. I leave that to you.
I quoted you.
I showed the logic.
You got mad, had a hissy fit and is desperately sticking to your asinine (and already fulfilled) request.

But by all means, play the ignorant fool and cling to whatever shred of dignity you feel you have left

 

[Shaddows]

Poor dumbass, all tripped up on his accusations. Called out on his fake news bullshits. All you have to do is find the quote. What's wrong?

LOL
So I go offline for a while you feel brave?
<[analyzed}>

Child, please!
You can't even keep a straight line with what you say, without tripping on your own words. Now you play the ignorant fool.

You lost the second you tried to diss Fedor for what didn't even happen.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I think last time I did this list, I had Nog #2 and Stipe #3. I just waffle on that a lot. The more times I do this, and look at it, I find myself thinking:

• Cain’s overall resume is pretty thin, and if I was truly ranking by resume like I claim, he should probably be a lot lower.
  
• JDS has a pretty sick resume, and I should probably rank him higher.
• Stipe’s resume looks worse each time I review it. I call him the UFC HW GOAT, but I wonder how I’ll feel about that 3-5 years from now.

Hey, as long as you’re consistent, and put Will Brooks above Michael Chandler on LW rankings, and Dennis Hallman above Hughes on WW rankings, I say go for it.

Stipe is currently the UFC HW GOAT imo, but honestly, while plenty of good HWs have fought in the UFC, no one has ever put his stamp on the division in the way Fedor did in Pride. So yeah, I think Stipe is more of a place holder as 'UFC HW GOAT' more than anything.

Cain always struck me as a guy who had the potential to be truly great, but because of circumstances somewhat underachieved his potential. He also got KOed by JDS and completely bullied by Werdum, which, while both are all time great HWs, doesn't exactly prove my gut feeling that he was somehow a generational talent.

 

[Exarch01]

LOL
So I go offline for a while you feel brave?
<[analyzed}>

Child, please!
You can't even keep a straight line with what you say, without tripping on your own words. Now you play the ignorant fool.

You lost the second you tried to diss Fedor for what didn't even happen.

You need to use quotes when you claim I did or didn't say something. Otherwise people think you're lying. And you should tell the truth my little keyboard warrior.

 

[Brazilian007]

Don't forget when Cain beat the shit out of Brock. That's a good win. I agree, we missed out on a lot of good match ups with Cain.

I suggest Big Nog for the #5 spot:

1: Fedor
2: Stipe
3: Werdum
4: Cain
5: Big Nog

How can Nog be above JDS?

JDS beat

Cain who beat Nog by KO
Werdum who beat Cain and who beat Nog
Lewis
Hunt
Mir who beat Nog 2x
Carwin
Nelson who beat Nog by KO
Gonzaga
Yvel
Struve who KO Nog
Stipe
Ivanov
Tai

Nog beat lets see

Couture a small HW and career LHW who weighed 225lbs
Cro Cop solid win
Scuhab well yeah
Kharitnonov solid win
Hendo a MW/LHW
Horn a LHW
Coleman who is 1 like the back then Brock Lesnar
Semmy Schilt 1 dimesional but a HW kickboxing goat
Tim Sylvia solid win
Josh Barnett solid win
Herring big guy and well yeah but Lewis would beat him and Lewis or Tai is a better win than Herring

Sorry but JDS list looks better


JDS beat yes an older Cro Cop but beat better strikers than Nog ever did.

Werdum first loss to Overeem wasent even that bad it was an ugly fight but he didnt get damaged. He actually landed on Overeem a lot.

 

[Brazilian007]

Don't forget when Cain beat the shit out of Brock. That's a good win. I agree, we missed out on a lot of good match ups with Cain.

I suggest Big Nog for the #5 spot:

1: Fedor
2: Stipe
3: Werdum
4: Cain
5: Big Nog

How can Nog be above JDS?

JDS beat

Cain who beat Nog by KO
Werdum who beat Cain and who beat Nog
Lewis
Hunt
Mir who beat Nog 2x
Carwin
Nelson who beat Nog by KO
Gonzaga
Yvel
Struve who KO Nog
Stipe
Ivanov
Tai

Nog beat lets see

Couture a small HW and career LHW who weighed 225lbs
Cro Cop solid win
Scuhab well yeah
Kharitnonov solid win
Hendo a MW/LHW
Horn a LHW
Coleman who is 1 like the back then Brock Lesnar
Semmy Schilt 1 dimesional but a HW kickboxing goat
Tim Sylvia solid win
Josh Barnett solid win
Herring big guy and well yeah but Lewis would beat him and Lewis or Tai is a better win than Herring

Sorry but JDS list looks better


JDS beat yes an older Cro Cop but beat better strikers than Nog ever did.

Werdum first loss to Overeem wasent even that bad it was an ugly fight but he didnt get damaged. He actually landed on Overeem a lot.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Fedor
Minotauro
Stipe
Werdum
Mirko
Barnett
Cain
JDS
Francis
Reem
DC
Sergei
Randy

More than 10 but I think those have been the true "greats" so far

then after you have the likes of Sylvia, Ricco, Hunt, Murr, Arlovski, Herring, Rizzo, Bigfoot, Semmy, Minakov, Igor, Gane, Blaydes, Coleman, Randleman, Fujita, Bork, Carwin, Aleks, Goodridge, Lewis, Gonzaga, Rothwell, Roy, Kongo, Volkov, Yvel etc

 

[BFoe]

Little more to factor in there buddy.

Agree, there is. I do have a sincere question though anout something you said.

Like it or not, Fedor is the same person who had GOAT fights with Big Nog and Crop and then later got the shit beat out of him by Bader and Mitrione. And that's ok. No reason to deny it. But yeah, those fights go on his record too.

My question is, how exactly do you go about weighing that? For example, I was debating Volk and Aldo’s legacy recently. A poster said, “Well, Aldo has losses too, and you aren’t factoring that in.”
To which I asked, “Well, how should I do that?” Jose Aldo ran that division for like 6 years, and has 9 title defenses. After that, he lost some fights. Volk has not surpassed those things, and hasn’t even gotten to the point of his career that Aldo is at in which these losses are occurring. So how would I “factor in Aldo’s losses”? Does Volk somehow not have to achieve what Aldo did? Does he get some kind of pass? That seems absurd.

So regarding Fedor, he lost to Mitrione and Bader in his 42nd and 45th fights, 17 and 19 years into his career respectively. Why should that hurt him when comparing him to fighters who haven’t beat as many ranked opponents as him, didn’t have as many title defenses as him, weren’t undefeated as long as him, didn’t beat as many former champs as him, and haven’t even reached their 17th year or 42nd pro fights?

I have ngannou top 5. Someone convince me other wise

Oh I’m your guy for that. His resume is just littered with ghosts, zombies, and decomposing bodies (i.e., old, past prime, declined fighters)
His resume consists of : Blaydes x2 (those are good wins), shot Arlovski, shot Ovreem, Reallllly shot Cain, Rozenstruik (eh), declining Stipe (prime Stipe handled him easily), and Ciryl Gane (whom we think is a good win but really don’t know as his resume is quite thin as well). That’s it.
1 title win, 1 defense.

I’d put him toward the bottom of the top 15. I left a couple question marks at the end of my ranking list, but probably #9 and #10 should be Arlovski and Couture. That would mean I don’t have Barnett, DC, or Mir in my top 10, and I’d put them all before Francis. That makes Francis #14 at best imo. He’s jockeying for position with Sylvia and Brock.

 

[RockyLockridge]

#1 Fedor unbeaten for 10 years
#2 Nog, champ of Pride and UFC
#3 Stipe best of the UFC
#4 Cain beast in his prime
#5 Werdum/ Igor

honestly, I can rock with this.

 

[BFoe]

How can Nog be above JDS?

JDS beat

Cain who beat Nog by KO
Werdum who beat Cain and who beat Nog
Lewis
Hunt
Mir who beat Nog 2x
Carwin
Nelson who beat Nog by KO
Gonzaga
Yvel
Struve who KO Nog
Stipe
Ivanov
Tai

Nog beat lets see

Couture a small HW and career LHW who weighed 225lbs
Cro Cop solid win
Scuhab well yeah
Kharitnonov solid win
Hendo a MW/LHW
Horn a LHW
Coleman who is 1 like the back then Brock Lesnar
Semmy Schilt 1 dimesional but a HW kickboxing goat
Tim Sylvia solid win
Josh Barnett solid win
Herring big guy and well yeah but Lewis would beat him and Lewis or Tai is a better win than Herring

Sorry but JDS list looks better


JDS beat yes an older Cro Cop but beat better strikers than Nog ever did.

Werdum first loss to Overeem wasent even that bad it was an ugly fight but he didnt get damaged. He actually landed on Overeem a lot.

On Nog’s list, why did you omit Werdum (Nog beat him in PRIDE) as well as Ricco, Valentijn Overeem x 2, Volk Han, and Gary Goodridge, plus Sapp who was actually a terror at that time, in addition to the other 11 names you listed?
Nog’s resume is insane. JDS has a sick resume too, but I think Nog’s is a bit better.

 

[Brazilian007]

Stipe is currently the UFC HW GOAT imo, but honestly, while plenty of good HWs have fought in the UFC, no one has ever put his stamp on the division in the way Fedor did in Pride. So yeah, I think Stipe is more of a place holder as 'UFC HW GOAT' more than anything.

Cain always struck me as a guy who had the potential to be truly great, but because of circumstances somewhat underachieved his potential. He also got KOed by JDS and completely bullied by Werdum, which, while both are all time great HWs, doesn't exactly prove my gut feeling that he was somehow a generational talent.

He also got owned by Ngannou but while that was post injury Cain he had nothing for Ngannou

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

On Nog’s list, why did you omit Werdum (Nog beat him in PRIDE) as well as Ricco, Valentijn Overeem x 2, Volk Han, and Gary Goodridge, plus Sapp who was actually a terror at that time, in addition to the other 11 names you listed?
Nog’s resume is insane. JDS has a sick resume too, but I think Nog’s is a bit better.

Nog's win over Sapp was a damn good win imo.

 

[ExitLUPin]

On Nog’s list, why did you omit Werdum (Nog beat him in PRIDE) as well as Ricco, Valentijn Overeem x 2, Volk Han, and Gary Goodridge, plus Sapp who was actually a terror at that time, in addition to the other 11 names you listed?
Nog’s resume is insane. JDS has a sick resume too, but I think Nog’s is a bit better.

He omitted them because he wasn't even watching MMA during Nog's prime. Nog has the best and deepest resume in HW history. Main reason Fedor is above him is b/c he absolutely decimated him H2H in their primes and doing that to a peak Nog is one of the best wins ever.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Nog's win over Sapp was a damn good win imo.

Sapp was arguably the most terrifying man on the planet when he fought Nog. Outweighed him by 150lbs mostly pure roided muscle.

01/02 Sapp was a legit monster. After Mirko broke his orbital he was done but for that short time he was an absolute terror. Nog was P4P #1 in MMA too. Hoost who was the P4P #1 kickboxer and top 5 all time got stopped in 2 fights by Sapp months after Nog finished him.