Top 10 Heavyweights ever

Brazilian007 said:
The wins should matter. Only on Sherdog are old fans who are nostalgic are putting slow 1 dimesional Big Nog as a top 5 HW. I swear to God BJ Penn is less overrated than Nog on here. Everytime a Nog fan says he had good boxing and takedowns I die of laughter. He did not. Nog was very hittable and blocked punches with his face... He also due to the childhood injury didnt have good knees or back or ability to shoot. Nog was essentially slow and immobile who had to rely on pulling guard or getting a takedown from the clinch.

Fedor belongs for sure and was well rounded but not Nog. I swear this place is delusional.

Cro Cop was getting wrecked by Reem before the nut shots and even then Reems HW resume is superior to Cro Cops



And this is exactly why Werdum needs to be top 3 with only Fedor whom he beat and Stipe higher. Fedor vs Werdum rematch should of happened and Werdum vs Stipe II and Werdum vs Cormier also would of been good. We got robbed not seeing Werdum defend the belt and not seeing him vs Cormier who I am positive he would of wrecked or him vs Fedor II to see if Fedor really just got caught.

Cormier is the most overrated HW who has his HW record beating past prime Mir and Barnett but still i cant discount these wins fully and he did manage to beat TRT Prime Big Foot. But he got destroyed by old Stipe 2x and only managed a fluke win after he eyepoked Stipe. He then was sonned by Jones 2x. And retired before he had to face real elite HWs like Ngannou and Blaydes. Yeah he beat Lewis who is ranked but lets be real at where Lewis ranks. The most annoying thing about Cormier is he retired so soon before that he gave no argument to if he would of won or lost vs Werdum, Ubereem, Etc. If Stipe and Jones gets wrecked then people will just do MMA math and assume Cormier could not hang with modern HWs but it wont fully answer how he would of done vs all the guys he avoided fighting. That is why I hope Cormier comes back at HW for an interim title shot vs Gane and ideally losses so his overrated legacy can be shushed.
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I take Overeem above Werdum in rankings.
Overeem 2 wins to 1 over Werdum.
The only reason Werdum was even in a position to fight Fedor is because Fedor ducked Ubereem.
 
Shaddows said:
yes, but it is stupid to claim he was not good because of those fights.
It's the same as claiming Anderson Silva was a can because he had a record of 1-7-1 in his last 9 fights.

People refer to Fedor as Goat for remaining at the HW division for a decade unbeaten.
That is RARE.
So rare, that people in this very thread celebrate a record of 4 (non-consecutive) title defenses for Stipe as reason why he is number 1.... 4 fights... with a loss in the middle... and it is so hard to achieve.... yet Fedor won for a decade and you want to make less of it because he lost to Bader at the obvious tail-send of his career?
Sorry, but that is as biased as the guys you try to dismiss and for almost the same reason (just different fighter or different promotion).

People need to move past that.
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Who said Anderson Silva was a can? That's a new one. Cans are going to be like Zuluzinho, Heath Herring, and any professional wrestler who is dabbling in MMA by starting with Fedor or Cro Cop.

Fedor should be the #1 HW in anyone's list because he actually beat legit fighters, consistently. No one has matched that, yet. But if he keeps fighting, and losing, and lets say finished his career on a 0-10 run, then yes that matters. You don't get to rewrite someone's career and cut out the parts you don't like.
 
Exarch01 said:
Who said Anderson Silva was a can? That's a new one. Cans are going to be like Zuluzinho, Heath Herring, and any professional wrestler who is dabbling in MMA by starting with Fedor or Cro Cop.

Fedor should be the #1 HW in anyone's list because he actually beat legit fighters, consistently. No one has matched that, yet. But if he keeps fighting, and losing, and lets say finished his career on a 0-10 run, then yes that matters. You don't get to rewrite someone's career and cut out the parts you don't like.
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LOL
sorry, but that's just asinine.
You don't erase a decade unbeaten because at the tail end of your career you lose 10 fights.

oh, and if you didn't notice, by your own logic, you just called Silva a can. After all, he did go on a 1-7-1 record at the end of his UFC run. ;)
Isn't is odd that you apply a rule for Fedor but Silva does not get the same treatment?
 
Shaddows said:
LOL
sorry, but that's just asinine.
You don't erase a decade unbeaten because at the tail end of your career you lose 10 fights.

oh, and if you didn't notice, by your own logic, you just called Silva a can. After all, he did go on a 1-7-1 record at the end of his UFC run. ;)
Isn't is odd that you apply a rule for Fedor but Silva does not get the same treatment?
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I'm going to ask again, try to answer:

Who said Anderson Silva was a can?
 
Exarch01 said:
I'm going to ask again, try to answer:

Who said Anderson Silva was a can?
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Again, you just did them you said (and I will quote):
Exarch01 said:
....But if he keeps fighting, and losing, and lets say finished his career on a 0-10 run, then yes that matters. You don't get to rewrite someone's career and cut out the parts you don't like.
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did you say the above or not?
or does this only applies to Fedor?
 
BFoe said:
It gets really rough around #s 8-10. But something like

  1. Fedor
  2. Stipe
  3. Nog
  4. Werdum
  5. JDS
  6. Cain
  7. Overeem
  8. Mirko
  9. Arlovski?
  10. Couture? Barnett? Cormier?
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Your list highlights some of the tougher problems. JDS over Cain isn't easy, because of, well, the beating s JDS took at Cain's hands. But Cain's resume does hurt him in all time rankings. I actually like Stipe over Nog, but that isn't an easy call either.
 
Shaddows said:
Again, you just did them you said (and I will quote):


did you say the above or not?
or does this only applies to Fedor?
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Where does that say Anderson Silva, or Fedor is can? Quote the exact words.

You can't, because I never said that. Fucking liar, learn some reading comprehension, dumbass.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Your list highlights some of the tougher problems. JDS over Cain isn't easy, because of, well, the beating s JDS took at Cain's hands. But Cain's resume does hurt him in all time rankings. I actually like Stipe over Nog, but that isn't an easy call either.
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Overall, I think Cain has to go above JDS exactly because of their second and third fights.
 
Brazilian007 said:
Fair enough

Fedor
Stipe
Werdum
Overeem
Mir?

Top 5. Maybe swap Mir for Dos Santos
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Mir messed up his career with the motorcycle accident end he never came back to the level he left. Which is impressive considering he reached championship level after the accident. But Mir even said he never felt 100% again after the accident.

But JDS is my answer.
 
Exarch01 said:
Where does that say Anderson Silva, or Fedor is can? Quote the exact words.

You can't, because I never said that. Fucking liar, learn some reading comprehension, dumbass.
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LOL
Sorry, kid. But you got yourself in a bind here.
You want to demean Fedor's career (in your example) if he fought now and lost his next 10 fights, like it somehow demeans his prior achievements.
But Silva did not win 8 of his 9 fights...... so doesn't that, by your own logic, takes away from his career?

The problem with people like you, is that when you get caught by your own words, you get mad...
 
Shaddows said:
LOL
Sorry, kid. But you got yourself in a bind here.
You want to demean Fedor's career (in your example) if he fought now and lost his next 10 fights, like it somehow demeans his prior achievements.
But Silva did not win 8 of his 9 fights...... so doesn't that, by your own logic, takes away from his career?

The problem with people like you, is that when you get caught by your own words, you get mad...
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Still waiting on that quote dumbass.
 
Exarch01 said:
Still waiting on that quote dumbass.
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I did quote you, kid.
You are just playing dumb at this point, which is funny as hell.

because if you were not guilty of saying stupid shit, you wouldn't be so furious.
<Dany07>
 
Shaddows said:
I did quote you, kid.
You are just playing dumb at this point, which is funny as hell.

because if you were not guilty of saying stupid shit, you wouldn't be so furious.
<Dany07>
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How come you can't follow simple instructions? You're being a bad dumbass.
 
Shaddows said:
I did quote you, kid.
You are just playing dumb at this point, which is funny as hell.

because if you were not guilty of saying stupid shit, you wouldn't be so furious.
<Dany07>
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Poor dumbass, all tripped up on his accusations. Called out on his fake news bullshits. All you have to do is find the quote. What's wrong?
 
Brock >>> all those pretenders. Won the UFC belt at MMA's peak.
 
Stipe
DC
Ngannou

Fedor
Cain
Werdum

Overeem
JDS
Big Nog

Grouped by tiers. Can't decide on 10. Skill wise, I'm sure it's Gane, but he doesn't have the record yet. I guess Couture would be the pick.
 
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