Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Hirashin, Oct 7, 2019.
Cold hard facts, well said and anybody denying it is a fucking moron
He was the underdog in his first fight against Penn and Hughes, and if I remember correctly, the odds were more or less even in his fight with Karo. Beyond that, in his first few fights he would have had no idea if he would win or not -- no one does when they're first starting out.
Gaming the system is actually good, it shows a fighter is thinking. Its what real world warriors (ie soldiers) are taught to do -- you want everything possible in a battle (and in a war) to be to your advantage. Your opponent is also going to game the system to the best of their ability. The problem comes in when you start breaking the rules -- greasing (like he and Anderson did) for instance, eye-poking like BJ and Jones have done and so on. Though in actual battle you're taught to break rules too when you can get away with it.
Humans primarily fight with our brains. That's what weapons and tactics are all about. If we didn't we'd still be food for bears and tigers, because compared to other animals our size we're weak, slow, lack big teeth, claws, and protective fur. The best MMA fighters are creative -- Jones in particular, but GSP, Anderson and Fedor also adapted to win.
GSP is way past his prime at the moment. I still think him against Israel would be a good fight. Make that fight at 170 and GSP destroys him.
Likewise, Prime GSP v Prime Anderson at 185 is a great match-up. At 170 GSP has little trouble.
Naw. The cold hard facts are that these guys are fighters. They fight for a living. They know what might happen on any given night. They aren't "scared" to fight other fighters. When a fight falls through it's generally because one or both fighters refused to make the fight for the pay offered. Increase the payday enough, and you can make pretty much any fight happen. Decrease the payday enough and you can make pretty much any fight fall through.
They didn't offer GSP what he thought was a fair wage to fight Anderson. That's all we know.
GSP could have beat him..
Yeah he also lost 2 fights in a decade. But Shit that is easy..
If GSP beat Anderson does he get any credit for it? Or does it go like this?
Anderson was overrated as shit. This proves it..
Anderson just had good style matchups..
Honestly Sonnen mauled him. That was a hail fucking Mary miracle the 1st time.. He had lost multiple 10-8 rounds I thought.
Dude, GSP and Anderson Silva were buzzing. So much so that the UFC believed a fight between the 2 could sell out Dallas Cowboys stadium. GSP turned it down. If he thought he could win, then he would have taken the fight. That was a multi-million dollar business opportunity that he left on the table.
The "stock market" for that fight was high, and the only reason the fight didn't happen was because GSP had the power to turn it down. I don't think I am reaching.
I am not arguing about that. The fight does huge business. I did not say otherwise.. But does GSP get credit if he finished the job Sonnen should have in fight 1? I doubt it. And where was the outrage over Silva not fighting Jones? GSP is not even a large WW..
I agree with the 1st sentence. But there was nothing cheap about that belt. GSP finished a bigger man (and champion) in a weight class he'd never fought in before after being out of the sport for years.
Give credit where it's due, man.
But also yeah, GSP is a smart fighter that calculates well and I don't think he ever liked how his style matched up against prime Anderson's. But ffs man who can blame him for that?! I mean, GSP never avoided a fight in his own weight class that I can think of. Not a single one. And he beat 'em all.
Looking for an edge? How about Silva using steroids? That is what looking for an edge looks like, idiot.
GSP would have gotten credit. Anderson Silva was a mythical beast during that time. If GSP had taken the challenge and slayed Anderson Silva, then GSP would have engraved his legacy on diamond. LOL
He was only formally offered the fight once. And it was after Andy had already gotten his ass kicked by Weidman and his value was downtrending. No fight was refused when it meant something.
As soon as the media asked the question and the UFC formally stated that they were interested in making the fight, even saying that it could be held in Dallas Cowboys Stadium, an offer was made.
How did Mayweather vs McGregor happen? It didn't start through a "formal offer." The fight happened because everybody wanted to make it happen, and it was all based on a rumor and a photoshop of McGregor facing-off with Mayweather.
Again, Anderson Silva wanted the fight. The UFC wanted the fight. GSP is the only party who didn't push for the fight. So, the fight wasn't made, and now we are stuck with pointless hypothetical debates involving MMAth. LOL
This is why I fully supported Mayweather vs McGregor, and I continue to support fighters who make reasonable call outs. The truth can only be known after it happens.
Andy wanted it at 185 or catch weight. GSP wanted it at 170. No one was willing to budge. I don’t blame the smaller fighter for not wanting to give up the size advantage. Besides bigger fighter calls out smaller fighter, bigger fighter’s responsibility to go down. Just like Tj did.
We are not accusing anderson for using gear, this is an undeniable fact.
Chael beat the supreme piss out of him. Anderson barely landed a thing. Not sure which fight you watched, but it wasn't the same one as me. Also, Anderson has never tested positive, has he? Haha
Who the fuck am I going to ask?
Im a biog fan of Izzy and love Silva. But to say GSP would stand a chance is wrong. Love how people have to try and make other believe they are more knowledgeable, having to call anyone who disagrees with him a casual.. TS is worse then a casual. Even Silva mentioned many time GSP could beat him. Guess Silva most also be a casual.
Both Izzy and Anderson would put GSP over their lap and spank him.
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