Social Three prominent Yale professors departing US to take up positions at University of Toronto

[Andy Capp]

Anyone leaving the country over Trump is someone we should be glad to be rid of

You mean like every single university professor at the top of his field who is not a US citizen, and who will refuse positions in US universities because they can be ejected anytime for criticising the Big Orange Turd?

Your so-called top universities won't be worth a tinker's damn. The brightest minds in the world will no longer go to the US, and schools will decline in quality until they're the laughing stock of academia.

Interesting to see some of the shifts occurring.

Three prominent Yale professors depart for Canadian university, citing Trump fears

History department power couple Timothy Snyder and Marci Shore and philosophy professor Jason Stanley will begin teaching at the University of Toronto’s renowned Munk School in fall 2025.

yaledailynews.com

Three prominent critics of President Donald Trump are leaving Yale’s faculty — and the United States — amid attacks on higher education to take up positions at the University of Toronto in fall 2025.

Philosophy professor Jason Stanley announced this week that he will leave Yale, while history professors Timothy Snyder and Marci Shore, who are married, decided to leave around the November elections. The three professors will work at Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy.

Stanley wrote to the Daily Nous that his decision to leave was “entirely because of the political climate in the United States.” On Wednesday, he told the Guardian that he chose to move after seeing how Columbia University handled political attacks from Trump....“When I saw Columbia completely capitulate, and I saw this vocabulary of, well, we’re going to work behind the scenes because we’re not going to get targeted — that whole way of thinking presupposes that some universities will get targeted, and you don’t want to be one of those universities, and that’s just a losing strategy,” Stanley told the Guardian. “I just became very worried because I didn’t see a strong enough reaction in other universities to side with Columbia,” he added.

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Shore wrote that the Munk School had long attempted to recruit her and Snyder and that the couple had seriously considered the offers “for the past two years.” Shore wrote that the couple decided to take the positions after the November 2024 elections. However, a spokesperson for Snyder told Inside Higher Ed that Snyder’s decision was made before the elections, was largely personal and came amid “difficult family matters.” The spokesperson also said that he had “no desire” to leave the United States.

Shore wrote that her and Snyder’s children were factors in the couple’s decision.

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Asked whether she believes other professors might be encouraged to leave the United States, Shore wrote that she believes many of her colleagues will consider relocating due to the current political climate, which she deemed an “American descent into fascism.”

“I don’t feel confident that American universities will manage to mobilize to protect either their students or their faculty,” Shore said.

Apropos of this, here's a good radio interview from just the day before yesterday with Prof. Stanley,

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-63-the-current/clip/16136747-why-yale-professor-jason-stanley-moving-canada

It goes into a lot of detail.

 

[Andy Capp]

It's a bit scary that somebody able to achieve the position of a professor at a college could be so intellectually weak that they would need to move out of their home country because a politician they don't like is in the White House for a few years.

A lot of starving Philosophy doctorates and Historians ready to replace them immediately.

IT’s A BrAiN DrAIn

It's hilariously ironic to see you morons glory in your ignorance on this topic. Way to go.

 

[Sweater of AV]

It's a bit scary that somebody able to achieve the position of a professor at a college could be so intellectually weak that they would need to move out of their home country because a politician they don't like is in the White House for a few years.

I have no problem with someone leaving because they don't care for the political climate. It's their life.

Call them up and tell them they're "intellectually weak." I'm sure you all will have a riveting conversation.

 

[AfroBanana]

History and philosophy professors are a dime a dozen.

Sadly for Canada they suffer massively with brain drain (skilled educated workers leaving Canada to work elsewhere; like the US).

Why wouldn’t they? Opportunity sucks there and they’re poor. Everything is more expensive and the same job pays double or more right across the border.

Political statements like this seem more petty optics vs actually losing talented people like doctors and engineers at a very high rate.

 

[Stoic1]

It's quite ironic as well, because if the retards in this thread (@ColemanwastheGOAT , @MMA IAN , @Beechwood , @Mr Holmes , et cetera) actually had any knowledge of history, they would know what intellectuals fleeing a nation under attack by anti-intellectual fascists is a prelude to.

You just pre-supposed that those are intellectuals. I'd argue they are more activist than educator.

America has a lot of those right now in academia.

 

[Madmick]

I genuinely don't give a shit what people like that think.

I was watching a segment on a little show called To the Contrary last night, including an interview with a UCLA professor named Yalda Uhls who was talking about the young generation, and how they view the world. She was making mostly accurate characterizations at first (whether these general perceptions are justified or not): talking about how they don't see the American dream as achievable, how they're deeply concerned about climate change, and so on.

Then she mentioned how they're the first generation that grew up with regular drills across the country to cope with school shootings. She talked about how this impacted their mental health, and how it made them afraid. She starts talking about how not feeling safe has a massive impact on one's ability to succeed. At that point she says something so stupid I had to turn it off. She says, "It's so important, we think of things like staying warm, eating and drinking, it's even more important than that."

You stupid bitch, what goddamn fairy tale of a first world bubble do you inhabit where you could form this belief that feeling safe is more important than sustenance? These people are deranged. They have no sense of proportion.

Not only that, but gimme a break. I grew up in a generation where we routinely carried out drills hiding under our desks as elementary school children in the case of a nuclear attack. LOL, it was so stupid when I think about it in retrospect, but it sure as hell was never as important to me as my midday baloney sandwich.

 

[Andy Capp]

I genuinely don't give a shit what people like that think.

I was watching a segment on a little show called To the Contrary last night, and an interview with a UCLA professor named Yalda Uhls who was talking about the young generation, and how they view the world. She was making mostly accurate characterizations at first (whether those general perceptions are justified or not): talking about how they don't see the American dream as achievable, how they're deeply concerned about climate change, and so on.

Then she mentioned how they're the first generation that grew up with regular drills across the country to cope with school shootings. She talked about this impacted their mental health, and how it made them afraid. She starts talking about how not feeling safe has a massive impact on one's ability to succeed. At that point she says something so stupid I had to turn it off. She says, "It's so important, we think of things like staying warm, eating and drinking, it's even more important than that."

You stupid bitch, what goddamn fairy tale of a first world bubble do you inhabit where you could form this belief that feeling safe is more important than physical sustenance, or anywhere near to it? These people are fucking deranged. They have no sense of proportion.

Not only that, but gimme a break. I grew up in a generation where we routinely carried out drills hiding under our desks as elementary school children in the case of a nuclear attack. LOL, it was so stupid when I think about it in retrospect, but it sure as hell was never as important to me as my midday baloney sandwich.

And you never had to worry about being deported for writing an op-ed. Get bent.

 

[Madmick]

And you never had to worry about being deported for writing an op-ed. Get bent.

They're afraid of being deported, so they deport themselves? I'm not persuaded to pity them. They're virtue signaling.

There is some validity to criticism of an administration that is acting with as much fragility and intolerance when it comes to matters of political speech as Trump's. However, maintaining a sense of perspective, writing an Op-Ed isn't something someone does within their duties as an academic. It's not like their freedom as an academic is infringed. That's an individual's choice to publish an opinion with an aim at influencing political thought and discourse among its readership. Personally, I would prefer we left Op-Eds alone, and so far, AFAIK, we have, we haven't deported any academic for an Op-Ed, but I feel making that distinction is important.

Now to the real deportations. What happened at universities with the anti-Israeli protests was an intolerable debacle. I'm in a strong majority in my feelings about that. The faculties showed tacit approval, sometimes vocal approval, or were so weak they failed to maintain control. They let these "student activists" run roughshod over campuses holding them hostage. They drained resources both public and private to deal with the chaos and the cleanup.

So I don't exactly pity these foreigners being targeted who were leaders inciting protests that often rose to the level of violent criminality. Fuck em. Go home.

 

[Confucamus]

It's hilariously ironic to see you morons glory in your ignorance on this topic. Way to go.

You got an explanation why, or are you too busy being a useless waste of everybody's time? C'mon, speak up. You won't melt.

I have no problem with someone leaving because they don't care for the political climate. It's their life.

Having an opinion is not having a problem. They are weak minded.

Call them up and tell them they're "intellectually weak." I'm sure you all will have a riveting conversation.

Why would I bother having a conversation with somebody who moves out of their country because their vote for the White House lost? They are taking their ball and going (to their new) home. A toddler could give me a more substantive conversation than somebody like that.

 

[Andy Capp]

You got an explanation why, or are you too busy being a useless waste of everybody's time? C'mon, speak up. You won't melt.


Having an opinion is not having a problem. They are weak minded.


Why would I bother having a conversation with somebody who moves out of their country because their vote for the White House lost? They are taking their ball and going (to their new) home. A toddler could give me a more substantive conversation than somebody like that.

I explained why in this post to which you reacted with a laugh emoji,

You mean like every single university professor at the top of his field who is not a US citizen, and who will refuse positions in US universities because they can be ejected anytime for criticising the Big Orange Turd?

Your so-called top universities won't be worth a tinker's damn. The brightest minds in the world will no longer go to the US, and schools will decline in quality until they're the laughing stock of academia.


Apropos of this, here's a good radio interview from just the day before yesterday with Prof. Stanley,

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-63-the-current/clip/16136747-why-yale-professor-jason-stanley-moving-canada

It goes into a lot of detail.

So, didn't read it or didn't understand it?

They're afraid of being deported, so they deport themselves? I'm not persuaded to pity them. They're virtue signaling.

There is some validity to criticism of an administration that is acting with as much fragility and intolerance when it comes to matters of political speech as Trump's. However, maintaining a sense of perspective, writing an Op-Ed isn't something someone does within their duties as an academic. It's not like their freedom as an academic is infringed. That's an individual's choice to publish an opinion with an aim at influencing political thought and discourse among its readership. Personally, I would prefer we left Op-Eds alone, and so far, AFAIK, we have, we haven't deported any academic for an Op-Ed, but I feel making that distinction is important.

Now to the real deportations. What happened at universities with the anti-Israeli protests was an intolerable debacle. I'm in a strong majority in my feelings about that. The faculties showed tacit approval, sometimes vocal approval, or were so weak they failed to maintain control. They let these "student activists" run roughshod over campuses holding them hostage. They drained resources both public and private to deal with the chaos and the cleanup.

So I don't exactly pity these foreigners being targeted who were leaders inciting protests that often rose to the level of violent criminality. Fuck em. Go home.

Are you trolling or smoking too much dope?

Who would pack up their entire family and move to the US for a job they can just as easily obtain elsewhere if they can be uprooted and forced out of work for voicing a negative opinion about the President? Freedom of speech? What in the actual fuck is that?

Of course their freedom is infringed.

 

[fedoriswar37]

i have not seen the 'free speech' magats comment on Trump using the power of gov't to threaten any university and any private business who does any business with the gov't with the removal of funding, contracts, or other if they do not remove any reference to anything DEI extending out to even having a picture up of a prominent black person (any PoC) who has achieved a high job status or something like a board seat or things like honors in sports, etc.

It all must come down and not be taught or mentioned or the gov't will cut you off.

And yet the 'Free Speech' and 'Weaponization of Government' magats are now silent????

That's cause your not looking, not cause it isn't happening. Your world is actually much smaller then you think ti is.

 

[Confucamus]

I explained why in this post to which you reacted with a laugh emoji,

So, didn't read it or didn't understand it?

Doesn't apply to my post. Re-read it and explain what you mean.

 

[Sweater of AV]

You got an explanation why, or are you too busy being a useless waste of everybody's time? C'mon, speak up. You won't melt.


Having an opinion is not having a problem. They are weak minded.


Why would I bother having a conversation with somebody who moves out of their country because their vote for the White House lost? They are taking their ball and going (to their new) home. A toddler could give me a more substantive conversation than somebody like that.

Their votes for the White House have lost before

If they feel this is a good time to leave for what they see as greener pastures in their life then God bless them. If doing what's best for you and your family is weak-minded then I pray for those around you that you're hilariously weak-minded.

 

[Andy Capp]

Doesn't apply to my post. Re-read it and explain what you mean.

 

[Confucamus]

Their votes for the White House have lost before

If they feel this is a good time to leave for what they see as greener pastures in their life then God bless them. If doing what's best for you and your family is weak-minded then I pray for those around you that you're hilariously weak-minded.

They're weak minded to believe they are in any danger just because their candidate didn't win the election. They'll only pass down that weak minded cowardice to their children and the cycle of weakness will continue. Hope they stick to their guns and actually never come back.

Oh, avoiding explaining something you said. Never seen you do that before.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

You know what's bullshit? The university has a hiring freeze in place for tenured faculty.

While I don't doubt the qualifications and academic pedigree of these Yale Professors, I do think it's unfair that the rules only apply to some people.

 

[Sweater of AV]

They're weak minded to believe they are in any danger just because their candidate didn't win the election.

Is it weak-minded to believe this statement is true and to keep saying it without further thought?

 

[Crazy Source]

I genuinely don't give a shit what people like that think.

I was watching a segment on a little show called To the Contrary last night, and an interview with a UCLA professor named Yalda Uhls who was talking about the young generation, and how they view the world. She was making mostly accurate characterizations at first (whether those general perceptions are justified or not): talking about how they don't see the American dream as achievable, how they're deeply concerned about climate change, and so on.

Then she mentioned how they're the first generation that grew up with regular drills across the country to cope with school shootings. She talked about this impacted their mental health, and how it made them afraid. She starts talking about how not feeling safe has a massive impact on one's ability to succeed. At that point she says something so stupid I had to turn it off. She says, "It's so important, we think of things like staying warm, eating and drinking, it's even more important than that."

You stupid bitch, what goddamn fairy tale of a first world bubble do you inhabit where you could form this belief that feeling safe is more important than physical sustenance, or anywhere near to it? These people are fucking deranged. They have no sense of proportion.

Not only that, but gimme a break. I grew up in a generation where we routinely carried out drills hiding under our desks as elementary school children in the case of a nuclear attack. LOL, it was so stupid when I think about it in retrospect, but it sure as hell was never as important to me as my midday baloney sandwich.

I grew up when we did week-long drills in elementary school where we learned to drink our own urine and had a "waste" corner.




Seriously, though, that is some weak shit. However, this weak generation needs to be dealt with, and hand-waving them aside won't work.

 

[ChosenOne]

That's cause your not looking, not cause it isn't happening. Your world is actually much smaller then you think ti is.

My comment was referencing this forum.

We had Magats proclaiming free speech constantly pre Trump getting power and even things that were not issues of free speech, such as Twitter enforcing their TOS, they thought went to far in intruding on their expanded view of free speech.

And now we have the Trump Admin truly engaging in real free speech restrictions. Threatening law firms, Universities, regular businesses, especially if they do any business with the government of being cut off, if they do not purge their organizations of anything the Trump admin considers woke, DEI, or just celebrating any minority. 'Take it down and remove all reference of a weaponized government will cut you off.'

and yet the free speech magats are quiet in the face of that. If a Dem Potus from the left follows Trump and does the same but with anything from the right will they suddenly find their outrage again? Should anyone care?

 

[Tatra]

Imagine caring about this shit. Some people are so determined to prove they have no life.