Social Not so free to speak: Columbia University ‘refusing to help’ identify people for arrest – White House

[Hog-train]

Anti-Ben Gvir apologists. I have respect for Gvir for actually saying what he believes with conviction. Can't say the same for you these days...

Watching you trip over yourself for a country's reputation overseas is sad, man.

He's Jewish so naturally a bit biased.

 

[cincymma79]

You’re free to protest but if you’re an illegal immigrant or a run of the mill criminal your face is on tv

 

[Islam Imamate]

He's Jewish so naturally a bit biased.

I don't like chalking it up to that. Lots of Jews are either critical of Israel or at least skeptical of this arrest to include Zionists like Chuck Schumer and personally as a Muslim I'm rather fed up with the radical politics of activists like Mahmoud Khalil. Not to mention most ITT cheering on this arrest like @scoopj are not Jewish(at least I think not).

The primary difference comes down to trust in the Trump regime and commitment to things like due process, the spirit of free speech, and a content neutral application of the law. If you're on the Trump train and see those values as a smokescreen for partisan obstruction then you're happy to see Khalil get railroaded.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You’re free to protest but if you’re an illegal immigrant or a run of the mill criminal your face is on tv

Mahmoud was neither though.

 

[scoopj]

I don't like chalking it up to that. Lots of Jews are either critical of Israel or at least skeptical of this arrest to include Zionists like Chuck Schumer and personally as a Muslim I'm rather fed up with the radical politics of activists like Mahmoud Khalil. Not to mention most ITT cheering on this arrest like @scoopj are not Jewish(at least I think not).

The primary difference comes down to trust in the Trump regime and commitment to things like due process, the spirit of free speech, and a content neutral application of the law. If you're on the Trump train and see those values as a smokescreen for partisan obstruction then you're happy to see Khalil get railroaded.

Maybe a skosh.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Maybe a skosh.

We talking about distant relative or a parent? And are you practicing or culturally in tune with your local Jewish community at all? Feel free not to answer for whatever reason.

 

[cincymma79]

Mahmoud was neither though.

Well then his hearing should go fine

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well then his hearing should go fine

Not if he gets deported before the hearing like the Venezuelans.

 

[cincymma79]

Not if he gets deported before the hearing like the Venezuelans.

Thankfully he’s not Venezuelan and here legally

 

[filthybliss]

He's Jewish so naturally a bit biased.

So what? I'm an ex-hindu but most of family still practices in some form or another but I can't see us ever carrying water for Modi turning India into the Hindu Apartheid version of Pakistan that it is heading towards. Being occupied by the Brits for a century and then treating our own people horribly within the country over trivial shit like religion is a sin in itself and it isn't worth supporting/excusing but that is just my 2 cents.

 

[Hog-train]

I don't like chalking it up to that. Lots of Jews are either critical of Israel or at least skeptical of this arrest to include Zionists like Chuck Schumer and personally as a Muslim I'm rather fed up with the radical politics of activists like Mahmoud Khalil. Not to mention most ITT cheering on this arrest like @scoopj are not Jewish(at least I think not).

The primary difference comes down to trust in the Trump regime and commitment to things like due process, the spirit of free speech, and a content neutral application of the law. If you're on the Trump train and see those values as a smokescreen for partisan obstruction then you're happy to see Khalil get railroaded.

So what? I'm an ex-hindu but most of family still practices in some form or another but I can't see us ever carrying water for Modi turning India into the Hindu Apartheid version of Pakistan that it is heading towards. Being occupied by the Brits for a century and then treating our own people horribly within the country over trivial shit like religion is a sin in itself and it isn't worth supporting/excusing but that is just my 2 cents.

Yea I'm aware a lot of the strongest opponents to Israel's hardline actions are in fact Jewish people. And a large part of the college protests were funded by Jewish people and supported by Jewish professors at the universities.

But I live in New York and grew up with Jewish people all around me. The majority of them are biased and have cognitive dissonance. I don't bother talking to any of my Jewish friends about the Palestinian issue because I know it is impossible to be objective with them. They are normally completely reasonable in all other issues except this - they have blinders on.

 

[filthybliss]

Yea I'm aware a lot of the strongest opponents to Israel's hardline actions are in fact Jewish people. And a large part of the college protests were funded by Jewish people and supported by Jewish professors at the universities.

But I live in New York and grew up with Jewish people all around me. The majority of them are biased and have cognitive dissonance. I don't bother talking to any of my Jewish friends about the Palestinian issue because I know it is impossible to be objective with them. They are normally completely reasonable in all other issues except this - they have blinders on.

I don't get it though. He voted for Trump despite being Pro-LGBTQ, Trump has campaigned with Fuentes and Jake Shields. If he is able to swallow up his pride and vote for a POTUS that steals lines from mein kampf and calls Chuck Schuemer a "fake jew" because he supports Israel with no hangups. I truly don't understand why he hasn't left the country if Israel takes priority over all his other values.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Aren’t half the students there foreign? Why are my tax dollars going to a university with half foreign students, many of whom hate our country. No thanks

 

[Hog-train]

I don't get it though. He voted for Trump despite being Pro-LGBTQ, Trump has campaigned with Fuentes and Jake Shields. If he is able to swallow up his pride and vote for a POTUS that steals lines from mein kampf and calls Chuck Schuemer a "fake jew" because he supports Israel with no hangups. I truly don't understand why he hasn't left the country if Israel takes priority over all his other values.

But in policy Trump was always going to be super pro Israel and Zionist.

And he perfectly encapsulates what a lot of Jewish people are - normally very liberal except on this specific issue where they align with the hardline neo conservatives.

For obvious reasons. It affects them or people they know or their grandparents survived the Holocaust or they fled anti-semitism from Russia or Eastern Europe. So it hits on an emotional level - that trumps objective principals on what is morally right or wrong the majority of the time.

 

[avenue94]

are you saying the law can't be applied today because it wasn't applied in a case 40 years ago?

I'm saying that no one can name examples of this law being applied similarly is a huge red flag as to whether constitutional rights are being respected.

and that's why the government is taking it's case to court.

After depriving a resident of their constitutional rights and liberty. I like i when the government has to prove a case before depriving someone of their rights and liberty. Call me crazy.

why are they detaining a resident they are bringing a deportation case against? fact is, it's pretty common to detain before deport. you know this. it happens all the time. this one case all of the sudden makes it a police state. there's almost 1200 detainees in louisiana alone right now.

Are those 1200 detainees in Louisiana green card holders being detained under such flimsy justifications?

Why can you'd you just provide a time frame of how long it's reasonable to detain a resident without cause. Do you just support indefinite detainment so long as the government argues not that it can prove it, but that it can prove it at a later date? That's where we are right now.

It’s coming out. He hid ties to UNRWA on his green card app.

Mahmoud Khalil hid ties to UNRWA on green card application, feds say as they hit anti-Israel agitator with new accusations

The feds have lodged new accusations against Mahmoud Khalil, including that he hid his ties to certain activist organizations on an immigration application, court papers show.

nypost.com

Are you in favor of ex-post facto justifications now? Why would those groups have had to be divulged?

 

[kflo]

I'm saying that no one can name examples of this law being applied similarly is a huge red flag as to whether constitutional rights are being respected.

that's not a red flag wrt the 14th amendment. different regimes treat different laws differently. the question is is it being applied similarly today. laws don't expire from lack of application.....

After depriving a resident of their constitutional rights and liberty. I like i when the government has to prove a case before depriving someone of their rights and liberty. Call me crazy.

they are literally bringing the case to court. he was literally in court friday and is scheduled back in 2 weeks.

Are those 1200 detainees in Louisiana green card holders being detained under such flimsy justifications?

do you really care about them? again, it's common for deportation cases to be detained. in LA. you don't know the justifications, yet you call them flimsy. you just want to rail against this administration and defend this individual, irrespective of whether he actually violated the terms of his stay.

Why can you'd you just provide a time frame of how long it's reasonable to detain a resident without cause. Do you just support indefinite detainment so long as the government argues not that it can prove it, but that it can prove it at a later date? That's where we are right now.

fuck off. again. a time frame? his team pushed the hearing out. lol at continuing to insist "without cause" without being privy to the evidence we have. lol at "indefinite"......

his case is in the system, and it's working its way through the court.

 

[scoopj]

I'm saying that no one can name examples of this law being applied similarly is a huge red flag as to whether constitutional rights are being respected.

After depriving a resident of their constitutional rights and liberty. I like i when the government has to prove a case before depriving someone of their rights and liberty. Call me crazy.

Are those 1200 detainees in Louisiana green card holders being detained under such flimsy justifications?

Why can you'd you just provide a time frame of how long it's reasonable to detain a resident without cause. Do you just support indefinite detainment so long as the government argues not that it can prove it, but that it can prove it at a later date? That's where we are right now.

Are you in favor of ex-post facto justifications now? Why would those groups have had to be divulged?

Perhaps the public only has a part of the story, but I don’t think I’ll lose any sleep over this particular incident.

 

[Hog-train]

Of course they should.

When Hamas won the election and Israel pulled out of Gaza nearly two decades ago they insisted the reason they so closely inspected & moderated all the "humanitarian" aid being brought into Gaza was because Hamas simply used it to build infrastructure to attack them (tunnels, rocket platforms, makeshift mortars, etc.).

As has been shown repeatedly in the unilateral ambush attacks on Israel since...that was 100% true.

And spare me any whining about ceasefire agreements. You mean the agreements that came into existence to resolve Hamas invading Israel without provocation and abducting hundreds of civilians as hostages that they keep to this day?

Fuck yes it's Hamas's fault. That's incontrovertible.

Netanyahu helped fund Hamas and keep them afloat for years. He literally stated it was for the purpose of keeping the Palestinians divided so they don't try to go for a two state solution.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Perhaps the public only has a part of the story, but I don’t think I’ll lose any sleep over this particular incident.

Where's the line for you? You've already said you don't think those who don't have the best interests of the country in mind should be deported to possibly include myself so we can guess you wouldn't lose sleep over my deportation if I was accused of "anti-American" activities so then what kind of case would you "lose sleep" over?

 

[avenue94]

Perhaps the public only has a part of the story, but I don’t think I’ll lose any sleep over this particular incident.

You want a government that isn't transparent? That's baffling logic regardless of partisan leaning.

that's not a red flag wrt the 14th amendment. different regimes treat different laws differently. the question is is it being applied similarly today. laws don't expire from lack of application.....

And yet we have no evidence of this law being applied to anyone other than those whose cases conveniently align with Trump's grievances. The reason I don't view this issue primarily through the 14th Amendment is that while I wouldn't be surprised if there was a paper trail from the top down targeting green card holders with specific political views, I don't have much faith in the Supreme Court to do much about it due to its partisanship.

they are literally bringing the case to court. he was literally in court friday and is scheduled back in 2 weeks.

And again...he isn't a flight risk and his detention and the slow trickle of justifications smacks of a fishing expedition. Find someone you want to deport, then worry about justifying it later. That's not the type of justice or government I'm interested in.

do you really care about them? again, it's common for deportation cases to be detained. in LA. you don't know the justifications, yet you call them flimsy. you just want to rail against this administration and defend this individual, irrespective of whether he actually violated the terms of his stay.

I care that those who are deported receive due process and are treated as humanely as possible. This case misses on both points so far.

fuck off. again. a time frame? his team pushed the hearing out. lol at continuing to insist "without cause" without being privy to the evidence we have. lol at "indefinite"......

his case is in the system, and it's working its way through the court.

That delay wouldn't happen to be in part because the government purposefully went venue shopping and has been dragging its feet right?

I want my government to be unable to detain residents without due cause, say a week max without proving why detainment is necessary. I don't see why anyone who cares about civil rights or democracy would be opposed to similar constraints.