Movies THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER (Dragonlord's Review)

[Deleted member 577981]

The same reason Valkyrie can subdue Thor with a tiny neck electric zapper even though the power of lighting was always in Thor and not the hammer.

It don't always have to make sense but everybody rated Ragnarok a near perfect 10...

nobody saw that as a tiny electric zapper though. we all saw it as a tech unknown to us and so it made sense.

 

[Bald1]

that's the review, right here.
close the thread.

The turd rating scale needs to become a thing. How many stars and how many dookies a move gets could be valuable information to some.

Maybe I'll edit my post down to just those few words. Zero stars but lots of shiny turds for Love and Thunder.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

The turd rating scale needs to become a thing. How many stars and how many dookies a move gets could be valuable information to some.

Maybe I'll edit my post down to just those few words. Zero stars but lots of shiny turds for Love and Thunder.

it's a 10 point scale.
1 star is a 6, 2 a 7, 5 a 10
one turd is a 5, 2 a 4, 5 turd an absolute shit zero

the turd/star rankings.

 

[Herwald]

... And I enjoy rubbish like [...] The Barbarians.

The Barbarian bros. ...

 

[Protectandserve]

Ok just watched it. It was bad. By far the weakest Marvel offering to date.

The humor was so over the top it was distracting.

Everyone being able to hold Stormbreaker made zero sense.

Super disappointed in it overall. Definitely feel the hate it gets is deserved.

 

[SaiWa]

The title of the movie, or that you weren't familiar with who the villain was doesn't change what was in the movie, which is what I was judging it on. His name is Gorr, and he is called the God Butcherer.
These movies don't exist in a vacuum, and the last time we saw Thor was after End Game.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have enjoyed the movie. I was just responding to your comment:


"It's a comic book movie" doesn't mean the movie doesn't have to make sense/have a balanced tone. We've had enough comic book movies to know that they can be goofy, they can be serious, they can be a mix, and many other things.
You used Ragnarok as an example, but that goes to my point.
It IS possible to balance dark subjects and humor. What I am saying is that Love and Thunder DID NOT balance the dark subjects with humor. You never had a chance to really absorb anything because it would be immediately followed by a joke...and 9 out of 10 times..not a good one.
Ragnarok had a lot of things happen, but it was still able to balance those things with humor and entertainment. You had a chance to feel Odin's death and Loki and Thor's feeling. Valkyrie's whole arc made sense and was rewarding in the end. Asgard ending wasn't treated as a joke.
It's not a choice between The Batman or the goofy movie they gave us---there's plenty of in between, and we've already seen Marvel do it--Ragnarok was a good example.
Not to mention the things that just didn't make sense for the larger MCU, or the characters. If Thor knew this magic wish granting deity existed, why didnt he use it against Thanos? Why didn't he give everyone the power of Thor if he can just give it to any random kid? Valkyrie just sits out the final battle...? What? All of the gods were all pricks that don't care about anything? The story was just bad all over.

Also, the device that knocked out Thor in Ragnarok wasn't necessarily electric based just because it zapped him. It's a machine, but they didn't go into the technology behind it--but it'd be pretty safe to assume that an alien world that was controlling beings like Hulk and Thor wasn't using basic human technology.

Okay so your complaint now is that its not balanced properly? You don't agree with the pacing. It has nothing to do with the fact there are dark themes combined with humor ~ just how they did it. I wasn't sure based on your previous response because all you did was say the movie had dark themes.


1. The power that was given to the kids were not Thor's. It was the power of Zeus.
2. The key to opening the gate to Eternity was Stormbreaker. Thor was unaware that Stormbreaker could do this until after Jane found the ancient drawings in Shadowrealm. That's the reason why he didn't go to Eternity during the Thanos saga because he didn't know it was possible to go with Stormbreaker.
3. Valkyrie was badly injured. Convenient way to make the final battle with Jane and Thor only. Didn't see anything wrong with it. It was rather apropos considering the outcome.
4. The device that incaps Thor is an obdience disk and it may not be electrical-based but his reaction is definitely reminiscing on how he reacted to getting tasered in the first Thor movie. As a matter of fact Thor got shocked two different times - the slavers trapped him with an electrical net and Thor ran into a red security. Again it's the God of Thunder but he was incapacitated very easily multiple times in Ragnarok for cheap laughs.
5. Gods being pricks? LOL. Gods were known to be pricks technically speaking yes? The Norse Gods were some of biggest assholes traditionally. That's the irony behind all of this. The Marvel Norse gods are portrayed as the shiniest examples of what a god should be and the others are shitbags. Not all gods are good. You can be an evil or non-caring God. I didn't see anything wrong with this actually. A classic example of expectation does not meet representation.
6. Pacing - I felt the pacing was fine. Plenty of actions but also with a bunch of slow scenes. They added plenty of scenes focused around Thor and Jane, their history, how he was feeling, etc... You said the end of Asgard wasn't treated as a joke but what was treated as a joke in this Thor movie? The cancer storyline was not a joke. It wasn't a magical happy ending. Gorr realized that not all gods are shitbags after seeing Thor holding Jane and realized that Gorr had become the thing he despised and changed his wish to his original wish at the beginning of the movie (when he was praying).

And finally you were responding to my comment but what I really meant was this Thor movie wouldn't have worked as a dark gritty Batman-like movie. Those over the top jokes needed to be there. If you didn't like the balance that's fair. You didn't like it. It's a free country. But the movie wouldn't have worked at all without the jokes because it's not an MCU Thor movie anymore which was my point.

 

[SaiWa]

nobody saw that as a tiny electric zapper though. we all saw it as a tech unknown to us and so it made sense.

nobody? I saw this movie with my buddies and we all commented on it (why did that tiny apparatus buz and zap like a taser). Maybe it wasn't electrical based but they definitely added the fx sounds and Thor's reaction (uncontrolled shaking) to it appear that he was getting zapped.



Watch all those scenes and tell me it didn't "appear" to be electrical based?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

nobody? I saw this movie with my buddies and we all commented on it (why did that tiny apparatus buz and zap like a taser). Maybe it wasn't electrical based but they definitely added the fx sounds and Thor's reaction (uncontrolled shaking) to it appear that he was getting zapped.



Watch all those scenes and tell me it didn't "appear" to be electrical based?

My point is nobody that was really thinking about it thought it was electricity it's obviously another planet with different tech. Did you also think that the wand the big bad used to melt a guy was electricity?

All I'm saying is you can't say the show was dumb for stopping Thor with electricity when it's just you that thought it was electricity and nobody else. You guys used your imagination to judge a show rather than using your imagination to understand where the show was coming from.

 

[SaiWa]

My point is nobody that was really thinking about it thought it was electricity it's obviously another planet with different tech. Did you also think that the wand the big bad used to melt a guy was electricity?

All I'm saying is you can't say the show was dumb for stopping Thor with electricity when it's just you that thought it was electricity and nobody else. You guys used your imagination to judge a show rather than using your imagination to understand where the show was coming from.

I thought the wand was acid based and it is apparently known as the melt stick based on its properties - powerful charge cell in handle that powers a series of liquefaction coils. Electricity doesn't melt a guy like that so no one logically would deduce that the wand was electrical based. If anyone had to guess it'd be acid based. But that's just me thinking logically without knowing what the wand was.

Thor clearly reacted as he if was being zapped when hit with the obedience disc hence the item "appears" to be electrical based or has properties that would cause a person to react as if being shocked. And if you watched the video you would see that Thor was caught in an electrical net and gets zapped right away so it already appeared that Thor can react to electricity that's not created by him.

Just because you didn't think about it doesn't mean others did or didn't. If you read the comments on those youtube vids plenty of people were wondering why the God the Thunder can easily get incapped from that tiny gadget so I was clearly not the only one who thought the gadget was electrical based.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I thought the wand was acid based and it is apparently known as the melt stick based on its properties - powerful charge cell in handle that powers a series of liquefaction coils. Electricity doesn't melt a guy like that so no one logically would deduce that the wand was electrical based. If anyone had to guess it'd be acid based. But that's just me thinking logically without knowing what the wand was.

Thor clearly reacted as he if was being zapped when hit with the obedience disc hence the item "appears" to be electrical based or has properties that would cause a person to react as if being shocked. And if you watched the video you would see that Thor was caught in an electrical net and gets zapped right away so it already appeared that Thor can react to electricity that's not created by him.

Just because you didn't think about it doesn't mean others did or didn't. If you read the comments on those youtube vids plenty of people were wondering why the God the Thunder can easily get incapped from that tiny gadget so I was clearly not the only one who thought the gadget was electrical based.

lol.....


Did you notice that when people were being affected by that tech that all their blood vessels came up close to the skin and turned black or blue? This happens quite often in the show.... is that affect part of what led you to believe it was electricity? lol..... And all of that in contradiction to Thor's power over electricity?

I thought about it just as much as you did I just didn't assume something stupid so I could mock the show which is apparently what you did.

According to you who knew that the easy way to beat Thor, one of the mightiest superheroes, was just to shock him? lol......

 

[SaiWa]

lol.....


Did you notice that when people were being affected by that tech that all their blood vessels came up close to the skin and turned black or blue? This happens quite often in the show.... is that affect part of what led you to believe it was electricity? lol..... And all of that in contradiction to Thor's power over electricity?

I thought about it just as much as you did I just didn't assume something stupid so I could mock the show which is apparently what you did.

According to you who knew that the easy way to beat Thor, one of the mightiest superheroes, was just to shock him? lol......

Who says i am mocking the show/movie? I am saying there are inconsistencies in Ragnarok as well. I loved Ragnarok.

And even if i didn't notice the black/blue spot from the obedience disk you still can't explain the electrical net that easily subdued Thor. There were no black or blue spots on Thor after he went down. The God of Thunder being held down by an electrical net. Yeah that's logical.

It's not according to me. According to the MCU movie Ragnarok Thor can be subdued by an electrical net. Which is asinine.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Who says i am mocking the show/movie? I am saying there are inconsistencies in Ragnarok as well. I loved Ragnarok.

And even if i didn't notice the black/blue spot from the obedience disk you still can't explain the electrical net that easily subdued Thor. There were no black or blue spots on Thor after he went down. The God of Thunder being held down by an electrical net. Yeah that's logical.

It's not according to me. According to the MCU movie Ragnarok Thor can be subdued by an electrical net. Which is asinine.

What is asinine is your lack of imagination and insistence on interpreting things according to that poverty.

 

[SaiWa]

What is asinine is your lack of imagination and insistence on interpreting things according to that poverty.

AH!!!

So you can't explain the electrical net. I see.
So in the end you're the idiot! lol




Thanks for playing (and losing).

 

[Deleted member 577981]

AH!!!

So you can't explain the electrical net. I see.
So in the end you're the idiot! lol




Thanks for playing (and losing).

If you use the same level of reasoning to analyze Thor it's no wonder you can't understand my position even though I've stated it. I assume the same kind of energy used by the obedience disc is the same kind of energy used by the net.

I don't know why you keep forcing an idiotic narrative onto the show.... personally I just don't get it. Everything stupid about it you brought with you into the theater.

But I'm done arguing about Thor Ragnarok for god sakes!!

 

[SaiWa]

One other random point.....how can Zeus...the God of Thunder be killed by his own Thunderbolt?
You can't kill Thor with lightning.
I know in the end that he didn't die, but it doesn't make any sense why they would think that that weapon would even hurt him.

Your random point is wrong "mythically" speaking.

Zeus was not born with the Thunderbolt. It was created and given to him by the Cyclops.
If it can be stolen why can it not be used against Zeus?

The bigger plothole was why can the Thunderbolt be stolen so easily. Maybe Zeus deep down wanted to help and went easy and allowed the Thunderbolt to be taken. That didn't make any sense to me because if it could be stolen it would have been stolen long ago.

 

[SaiWa]

If you use the same level of reasoning to analyze Thor it's no wonder you can't understand my position even though I've stated it. I assume the same kind of energy used by the obedience disc is the same kind of energy used by the net.

I don't know why you keep forcing an idiotic narrative onto the show.... personally I just don't get it. Everything stupid about it you brought with you into the theater.

But I'm done arguing about Thor Ragnarok for god sakes!!

Who says I am shoving my narrative about the movie?

I said I enjoyed this movie (but it is beneath Ragnarok) and my point was there were inconsistencies with Ragnarok as well but it didn't change the fact that its one of the best MCU movies out there.

And your assumption would be wrong because the obedience disk left blue/black marks but there were no such marks on Thor when he was netted. If you are going to argue logic then take it all the way.

No one forced you to talk Ragnarok with me. Last i checked you responded to me first. You can't finish the argument cause you're logically stuck. I've been civil to you but you've resorted to being an asshat so there is no reason for me to be kind anymore. Be stupid somewhere else if you can't continue discussing this. LOSER. lol

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Okay so your complaint now is that its not balanced properly? You don't agree with the pacing. It has nothing to do with the fact there are dark themes combined with humor ~ just how they did it. I wasn't sure based on your previous response because all you did was say the movie had dark themes.


1. The power that was given to the kids were not Thor's. It was the power of Zeus.
2. The key to opening the gate to Eternity was Stormbreaker. Thor was unaware that Stormbreaker could do this until after Jane found the ancient drawings in Shadowrealm. That's the reason why he didn't go to Eternity during the Thanos saga because he didn't know it was possible to go with Stormbreaker.
3. Valkyrie was badly injured. Convenient way to make the final battle with Jane and Thor only. Didn't see anything wrong with it. It was rather apropos considering the outcome.
4. The device that incaps Thor is an obdience disk and it may not be electrical-based but his reaction is definitely reminiscing on how he reacted to getting tasered in the first Thor movie. As a matter of fact Thor got shocked two different times - the slavers trapped him with an electrical net and Thor ran into a red security. Again it's the God of Thunder but he was incapacitated very easily multiple times in Ragnarok for cheap laughs.
5. Gods being pricks? LOL. Gods were known to be pricks technically speaking yes? The Norse Gods were some of biggest assholes traditionally. That's the irony behind all of this. The Marvel Norse gods are portrayed as the shiniest examples of what a god should be and the others are shitbags. Not all gods are good. You can be an evil or non-caring God. I didn't see anything wrong with this actually. A classic example of expectation does not meet representation.
6. Pacing - I felt the pacing was fine. Plenty of actions but also with a bunch of slow scenes. They added plenty of scenes focused around Thor and Jane, their history, how he was feeling, etc... You said the end of Asgard wasn't treated as a joke but what was treated as a joke in this Thor movie? The cancer storyline was not a joke. It wasn't a magical happy ending. Gorr realized that not all gods are shitbags after seeing Thor holding Jane and realized that Gorr had become the thing he despised and changed his wish to his original wish at the beginning of the movie (when he was praying).

And finally you were responding to my comment but what I really meant was this Thor movie wouldn't have worked as a dark gritty Batman-like movie. Those over the top jokes needed to be there. If you didn't like the balance that's fair. You didn't like it. It's a free country. But the movie wouldn't have worked at all without the jokes because it's not an MCU Thor movie anymore which was my point.

Okay so your complaint now is that its not balanced properly? You don't agree with the pacing. It has nothing to do with the fact there are dark themes combined with humor ~ just how they did it. I wasn't sure based on your previous response because all you did was say the movie had dark themes.

As I said, I was responding to your post that said "What did people expect...something something Batman". I didn't see anyone in here making an argument that the movie needed to be super dark, gritty, or anything like Batman, so not sure why you brought that up to begin with.
My complaint was always about the improper balance of humor and pacing. There are other issues with the story, but that's the main issue.
That's what pretty much everyone in here has been saying. Many of the same people that disliked this movie, liked Ragnarok, so the issue isn't a need for a dark, Batman styled movie. It's still Marvel, why would we have expected Batman? You built up a strawman from the get go.

1. The power that was given to the kids were not Thor's. It was the power of Zeus.

How could he give away the power of Zeus? He used the thunderbolt to channel Thor's power, and he literally says the power of Thor. This was also very obvious because it tied into his hammer and his father granting whomever worthy of it the power of Thor.

2. The key to opening the gate to Eternity was Stormbreaker. Thor was unaware that Stormbreaker could do this until after Jane found the ancient drawings in Shadowrealm. That's the reason why he didn't go to Eternity during the Thanos saga because he didn't know it was possible to go with Stormbreaker.

Why are you trying to make up what Thor did and didn't know? This is something Taika and crew made up, this wasn't something that the Russo brothers were aware of, and it didn't get used in End Game simply because "Thor just didnt know how to do it" In Dr. Strange's 14 billion scenarios, he would've seen a way to get there. It also just doesn't even make any sense that a weapon that was just forged in Infinity War is also the only thing that can open this ancient gate to Eternity.

3. Valkyrie was badly injured. Convenient way to make the final battle with Jane and Thor only. Didn't see anything wrong with it. It was rather apropos considering the outcome.

She is a valkyrie, and "king" of Asgard. What warrior king of Asgard sits out a battle that will end all existence because they have an injury? No, it is not apropos for any hero character, especially in the way they did it. Human girl Jane with CANCER went to the battle even though she knew picking up the hammer again would kill her.

4. The device that incaps Thor is an obdience disk and it may not be electrical-based but his reaction is definitely reminiscing on how he reacted to getting tasered in the first Thor movie. As a matter of fact Thor got shocked two different times - the slavers trapped him with an electrical net and Thor ran into a red security. Again it's the God of Thunder but he was incapacitated very easily multiple times in Ragnarok for cheap laughs.

Why are you trying to connect two things that aren't connected? The taser and this device on Sakaar are obviously not the same thing. It can be pretty safe to assume that there is more to the device than it being electric since it's on another planet and it puts blue/black veins on your face. So it can't be simple electricity.
You're going out of your way to try and defend something that's ridiculous. I'm willing to go along with a fantasy show on plenty of things, but : The god of thunder shouldn't be able to be killed by a thunder bolt. That's just dumb.

5. Gods being pricks? LOL.

I didn't say that gods being pricks is shocking or a problem. The issue is is that literally ALL of them didn't care about their potential own demise. At minimum, a god of war would've wanted to fight, or a god of wisdom would've had a different take. lol Did you actually pay attention to the movie? The villain is Gorr the GOD Butcherer. The gods should have a vested interest in not being butchered.

6. Pacing - I felt the pacing was fine.

If that's how you feel, cool. I don't have words if you can't see the obvious issues with pacing in this movie. Gorr's parts felt like they were from another movie, and the jokes were rampant, misplaced, and usually unfunny.

lol Just look at the scene from the final fight. We have kids with dolls and ropes skipping around killing monsters, Jane in bed with cancer, and Thor having his final battle with a villain that is on the verge of wiping them all out with a wish. If you think this is fine..then, well, god bless you.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Your random point is wrong "mythically" speaking.

Zeus was not born with the Thunderbolt. It was created and given to him by the Cyclops.
If it can be stolen why can it not be used against Zeus?

The bigger plothole was why can the Thunderbolt be stolen so easily. Maybe Zeus deep down wanted to help and went easy and allowed the Thunderbolt to be taken. That didn't make any sense to me because if it could be stolen it would have been stolen long ago.

"Random point"? Okay.

Who cares about mythically? We're talking about this movie and the MCU. If you can hold a thunderbolt in your hand, it makes no sense for you to be killed by the power that you can control...the power that you are literally the god of.
Zeus and Thor had some banter about lightning and thunder, it would be pretty stupid if Zeus then tried to somehow kill Thor with lightning.

If the Thunderbolt is a physical weapon that can be held, why wouldn't it be able to be stolen? Who would've been stupid enough to steal from Zeus long ago?
The story just didn't make sense. But it seems like you're set on trying to make sense out of bad writing instead of just accepting it as bad writing.

 

[fingercuffs]

Brilliant again.

 

[SaiWa]

"Random point"? Okay.

Who cares about mythically? We're talking about this movie and the MCU. If you can hold a thunderbolt in your hand, it makes no sense for you to be killed by the power that you can control...the power that you are literally the god of.
Zeus and Thor had some banter about lightning and thunder, it would be pretty stupid if Zeus then tried to somehow kill Thor with lightning.

If the Thunderbolt is a physical weapon that can be held, why wouldn't it be able to be stolen? Who would've been stupid enough to steal from Zeus long ago?
The story just didn't make sense. But it seems like you're set on trying to make sense out of bad writing instead of just accepting it as bad writing.

It's a random point because it is literally what you wrote:

One other random point.....how can Zeus...the God of Thunder be killed by his own Thunderbolt?

Again, Zeus did not die. He got hurt by the Thunderbolt but he didn't die. The weapon was built for him but that does not mean that someone else can't use it to harm him. Your post made me revisit some old mythological websites cause i vaguely remembered a revolt by the Greek gods. A few of them once tied Zeus up and he could not reach his Thunderbolt (or bag of thunderbolts to be precise). The point was mythologically speaking the Thunderbolt is a physical weapon and it's been depicted more like a bag of endless bolts at times.

Just because you can hold Thunderbolt doesn't mean it can't kill you. Thunderbolt is a weapon that was forged by someone else and it can be stolen. Why can it not be used against his rightful owner? It's not the first time someone wrote a movie about it. Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief story is about the Thunderbolt being stolen so the artifact is known to be "steal-able". If someone can hold Thor's hammer do you think they cannot use it to beat the living shit out of Thor and kill him? In the marvel comic books both Hela and Moon Knight used Mjolnir to beat up Thor.

You didn't know the history/myth of Zeus and his Thunderbolt enough and just call it lazy or bad writing but the story makes sense from a mythological standpoint. At least your questions about why Thunderbolt can harm Zeus. I will agree that it doesn't make sense for all the Gods to be so fearful of one Gorr the Butcherer.