There was nothing questionable about the Lawler/Koscheck stoppage

[Satsui Ryu]

It was slightly early, but I wouldn't call it a very bad stop. If it went longer I doubt Kos would have been able to get out of there. Letting things go was just postponing the inevitable.

 

[Th3Joker2242]

Robbie Lawler could crush a brain with his strikes. Thats a great stoppage he was in big trouble and taking blows by a man who hits with intentions to kill.

 

[Karelinator]

Grice was at risk of serious injury from repeated shots to the head while already rocked, for an entire round. Kos ate a blind hook and a couple follow up punches, and the fight was stopped. This is what is known as inconsistency. The refs stop the fights to protect the fighters, well.. sometimes.

Well, I think that the point here is that when fighter is still able, and continues to fight - which Grice was doing - he decides to take that risk of injury. Grice was punching, covering up, backing away, ducking etc. entire time.

Kos apparently wasn't able to fight back, because he was just lying there.

There's plenty of inconsistency in MMA, sadly, but I don't think this was the case of it.

 

[MMAth Problem]

I def think Kos should have been allowed to get hit afew more times, but thats more for my benifit. Good decision

 

[sangreporsangre]

you also have to take in consideration whose the one throwing all these punches that arent really being defended. Kos wasnt stopping Robbie from pounding on him, so I would think Herb did a good job protecting him from getting seriously hurt. The fact that he was able to get up after is something he should that Herb for.

 

[Marx Marvelous]

Unusual KO imo.

Kos seemed to just stay facing down when Lawlor got back up? Anyone else think that?

Like he froze or something, I dunno. But it did seem a tad early to me, I'd have gave him 2 or 3 more shots to see if he could get shit moving.

I think Koscheck got hit with a knee as he went for a single leg and it knocked the wind out of him. He lay there limply hanging onto the single face down trying to recover and Lawlor got to his feet and got to Koscheck side. Then it was bombs away. Absolutely nothing wrong with that stoppage. Unless you want to see Koscheck in a wheelchair at 40 being spoon fed apple sauce...then it was a bit early.

 

[...El Ray]

Well, I think that the point here is that when fighter is still able, and continues to fight - which Grice was doing - he decides to take that risk of injury. Grice was punching, covering up, backing away, ducking etc. entire time.

Kos apparently wasn't able to fight back, because he was just lying there.

There's plenty of inconsistency in MMA, sadly, but I don't think this was the case of it.

Kos was stuck on the cage and ate a blind hook, I don't see a problem with a few seconds of turtling so a fighter can regain his/her (lol, her..) bearings. Grice was a zombie. He was out on his feet, and ''defending'' on pure instinct.

The appearance of 'fighting back' is much worse than turtling to ''weather the storm'' in this case, as far as danger goes. I absolutely wanted the Grice fight to be stopped halfway through the third round. Letting him take blows to the head for 4+ minutes is incredibly dangerous, and I've seen enough boxers sustain permanent damage after fights like that. Kos ate a couple quick shots in a few seconds, and I feel that Herb could have let it continue for a few more seconds to see how Kos reacted once the *WTF* factor of the first punch wore off.

 

[xSoCalKidx]

Kos wasn't even out!

 

[egk]

If Herb hadn't have jumped in, I think Robbie would have continued to dribble Koz's head like a basketball.

 

[Eisenkarl]

Koscheck was out.
Lawler was blasting him and Koscheck was lying there in fetal position while his eyes were wandering somewhere across the cage and he definitely NOT looking at the man he was getting his head bashed in by.

 

[Mike Oak]

Kos wasn't even out!

Yes he was dude. It was mentioned in the post fight conference that Kos had no recollection of what happened and had to watch the replay to see what put him out. It was a good stoppage. He wasnt intelligently defending himself!

 

[Karelinator]

Kos was stuck on the cage and ate a blind hook, I don't see a problem with a few seconds of turtling so a fighter can regain his/her (lol, her..) bearings. Grice was a zombie. He was out on his feet, and ''defending'' on pure instinct.

The appearance of 'fighting back' is much worse than turtling to ''weather the storm'' in this case, as far as danger goes. I absolutely wanted the Grice fight to be stopped halfway through the third round. Letting him take blows to the head for 4+ minutes is incredibly dangerous, and I've seen enough boxers sustain permanent damage after fights like that. Kos ate a couple quick shots in a few seconds, and I feel that Herb could have let it continue for a few more seconds to see how Kos reacted once the *WTF* factor of the first punch wore off.

Yeah, I recall there were at least 2 moments were I was sure that Herb is stepping in. Grice began to avoid strikes right in those moments though, so I guess it was just tough decision to make.

As far as Kos go, we won't ever know if Herb have actually seen it all clearly, or took some 'risk', but as soon as he pulled Lawler away, Koscheck was rather obviously unable to fight...

1000 yards stare and all.

 

[Kid Muscle]

Flash ko

Kos was eating a lot of unprotected shots and went stiff for a split second

Guy didn't block or try to stand or Pull guard

Good stoppage

 

[MeGaMaNx18]

Legit stoppage for sure..unless kos' strategy was blocking Robbie's fist with his face

 

[NorCalNinja]

Robbie was bouncing Koschecks head across the mat like a basketball.

GIF also doesnt show the Knee and initial left hook that put Kos on queer street.

 

[bingowings123]

Flash ko

Kos was eating a lot of unprotected shots and went stiff for a split second

Guy didn't block or try to stand or Pull guard

Good stoppage

Agreed. There's a moment when Kos goes limp and that's when the ref steps in, yes he seemed to gain his focus again after the ref stepped in but he was out at the time it mattered.

 

[LilMountain]

i thought it was a good stoppage but it was weird how kos seemed not just okay but unfazed by those punches as soon as it was stopped

It looked like one of the last punches knocked him back into his senses. I know punches can wake fully KOed guys back up, but can they also knocked glassy-eyed guys back into their senses?

 

[...El Ray]

Yeah, I recall there were at least 2 moments were I was sure that Herb is stepping in. Grice began to avoid strikes right in those moments though, so I guess it was just tough decision to make.

As far as Kos go, we won't ever know if Herb have actually seen it all clearly, or took some 'risk', but as soon as he pulled Lawler away, Koscheck was rather obviously unable to fight...

1000 yards stare and all.

Moral of the story: It's hard for a ref to decide if/when to jump in and stop a fight. Some people wake up after flash KO's, some don't. Some people stay standing like zombies, some don't. I don't have a 'problem' with the stoppage, but I feel that Herb could have waited a few more seconds to see if Kos was going to do anything.

 

[Nola213]

bad stoppage. Ref's make mistakes, they're human.

eyes glassy? they looked glassy at the weigh-in and right before the fight started. Didn't see any change.

Not defending himself, so that's why it was stopped? So when a fighter puts his hands down after getting hurt like most fighters like to do to show the punch didn't hurt when it did, the fight should be stopped cause they arent fighting back and not defending themselves?

Come on, he was never out, his head never even touched the canvas. At least the Fedor "flash Ko" Fedor faceplanted for 1 sec before coming to. Shoulda let it go for 3 more seconds at least. Can't say "oh well he woulda ko'd him". No one knows that.

weak stoppage Herb.

 

[Jackonflame]

Meh. Good stoppage.

Lawlor adds some excitement to the wrestle heavy WW division.