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Number One doesn't even bark at intruders who are trying to kill him
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I recollect watching TNG as it aired during the 90's and being captivated by its complexity and altruistic balance. In one episode, Picard verbally sparred with territorial Klingons and tactically outmaneuvered deceptive Romulans, while the following episode story arch pertained to Data's cat or Worf teaching his son life lessons. Serious engagements with lighthearted elements is the key to success for Star Trek.
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There is a group of people who actually are infuriated by that
Some people think Picard is a self-righteous asshole and were happy that he got his "comeuppance" in Star Trek Picard
I'm generalizing but this is a lot of what I've read on Twitter, Reddit, Other Star Trek forums.
Redlettermedia talks about bots in their video but I'm not entirely convinced. I think star trek fandom has been invaded by non star trek fans who are more concerned with "privilege" and making "political messages"
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I am comfortable with Picard losing. He won way too often in TNG. Losing gives his character balance. I'm also ok with the expansion of Star Trek's fan base. If attractive professional women are now watching Star Trek, that's a plus in my book. My contention is that the tv shows would be more popular if they produced laid back episodes every now and again.
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And Gowron dream sequence cameo.
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I'm ok with Picard losing too, but the writing for the new show is just terrible and way more self righteous than any TNG.
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If they'd actually expanded the fanbase with these new series rather than alienating most of it, they wouldn't be hiding the ratings.
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https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-picard-cbs-all-access
Here you go. Parrot analytics is pretty much the "Nielson" rating system for digital streaming services. All the streaming services protect there viewership numbers, but parrot is considered the most legit service these days. Both Picard and Discovery have done quite well in the ratings, and most importantly driving subscribers. CBS All access is a fraction of the size of Netflix or Amazon video, yet it's trek series, still rank consistently in the top 5 of all streaming shows. You can actually do really in depth research on many shows using the parrot service, so it's pretty fascinating.
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I would say the nature of TNG tended to mean that it was very often not focused on "winning", Picard was in the right morally the vast majority of the time but wasn't outsmarting and beating opponents in every episode.
That's really the fundamental shift for me with the post Abrams Trek, its ditched the moral intelligence that so much of tis success was based on in favour of becoming an action thriller.
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You appear to be more knowledgeable than I regarding matters of moving pictures, and thus I acquiesce to your analysis. Haven't seen the Abrams films.
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https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-picard-cbs-all-access
Here you go. Parrot analytics is pretty much the "Nielson" rating system for digital streaming services. All the streaming services protect there viewership numbers, but parrot is considered the most legit service these days. Both Picard and Discovery have done quite well in the ratings, and most importantly driving subscribers. CBS All access is a fraction of the size of Netflix or Amazon video, yet it's trek series, still rank consistently in the top 5 of all streaming shows. You can actually do really in depth research on many shows using the parrot service, so it's pretty fascinating.
Help me understand this
More people are watching Flash than Stranger Things?
I'm shocked
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https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-picard-cbs-all-access
Here you go. Parrot analytics is pretty much the "Nielson" rating system for digital streaming services. All the streaming services protect there viewership numbers, but parrot is considered the most legit service these days. Both Picard and Discovery have done quite well in the ratings, and most importantly driving subscribers. CBS All access is a fraction of the size of Netflix or Amazon video, yet it's trek series, still rank consistently in the top 5 of all streaming shows. You can actually do really in depth research on many shows using the parrot service, so it's pretty fascinating.
LMAO
This is fucking horseshit.
Do you really believe for a second that Picard has a higher viewership than The Witcher, which is on a platform with 40 times as many subscribers and has a shitload more online engagement?
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I don't believe for a second that anybody who actually watched TNG is happy Picard got his comeuppance in STP. Picard was one of the most well liked and respected characters in Trek history. Idk if there are bots or trolls or what on those forums you're talking about....but I guarantee you they're not real TNG fans.
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Read this
https://www.startrek.com/news/the-humbling-of-admiral-picard
Its disgusting to say the least. These are the new Star Trek fans.
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Yeah I read the cliffs of it in that post earlier. It's nonsense.
I still think the number of us old TNG fans has to vastly outnumber the amount of people that liked ST Picard and liked what they did with his character.
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I usually ignore dumb shit but decided to read the article. That was a mistake. Anyway, I feel the need to comment. Lets begin (Had to omit the passages from the article or this post would be too long):
#1 is from a marginalized community.
I was stunned the first time I read this, it's literally laugh out loud funny looking at it again. I don't have an opinion on pitbulls, but marginalized community? Fucking lol.
“One of the reasons why they chose the synthetics storyline is because it’s about othering,” theorizes Dr. Thomas Parham III, an African-American communications professor and author of Hailing Frequencies Open: Communication in Star Trek: The Next Generation. “It’s all about othering.”
Yeah, so TNG already covered this, THOROUGHLY, over many episodes 30 fucking years ago. Lol. Remember how above they mention inclusion being important meow, in 2020? Yeah, the writers understood that decades ago, you fucking hacks, Star Trek has always has social justice woven into it, in fact that's in the foundation of the shows. There's a TNG episode dedicated to Data being legally considered a living being with all the rights of one, with Picard as his advocate. Measure of a Man, IIRC. In Picard, "synths" are used in exactly the way that was outlawed in that episode. TNG also made the case for other artificial lifeforms having rights, like those floaty maintenance droid things (I don't remember the name), and even nanomachines, and it did so MUCH (I can't emphasize this enough) more intelligently than the one dimensional dumpster fire that is Picard. Oh, and Data was the one who raised a lot of those points and corrected Picard as well as others who were originally dismissive of them being life.
Fucking. Idiots.
"While TNG positioned Captain Picard as an ally to marginalized groups, from Klingons to androids, Picard challenges him to check the privilege he’s enjoyed through various series as an able-bodied male Earthling of elevated Starfleet rank. Here are six times Picard called Picard out during Season 1."
THE KLINGONS WERE NOT A MARGINALIZED GROUP YOU DUMB FUCKS. The Klingon Empire was very powerful, they were a warrior race who loved battle. As mentioned, TNG spent a lot of time focusing on the "othering" of Data and AI, that was a huge aspect of the show, and meow these fucking lazy hacks think they're saying something new.
Able bodied is privilege? What about able minded? We may as well throw literally any average, basic abilities most are born with in as privilege at this point. It's losing its meaning. Don't have cancer? Privilege! Fuck off faux social justicers.
Picard is finally getting old
Since we're so woke, isn't this ageism and victim blaming? Picard got whooped and almost killed, Dahj died because the moron writers forgot that transporters and weapons that stun are a thing in Star Trek.
Picard is strong willed, kinda goes with being a highly decorated and experienced officer in a military organization.
Picard is no longer relevant
Being on the sidelines is tough for almost anyone in any profession who's had a great career. And?
Clancy not respecting Picard cussing at him is just shitty writing.
His resignation wrecked his relationships
Standing up for what he believed in and abandoning an organization he dedicated his life to on principle is actually a very courageous thing to do.
It's the 24th century in Star Trek - "class" is barely a thing in the Federation, it's almost totally socialist. There's no poverty, you almost never see anyone with substance abuse problems. That's the entire premise of the show, humans moved beyond this shit. Injecting present day attitudes and issues in Star Trek goes against the entire premise the series was founded upon. I remember reading elsewhere one of these fucking morons saying Picard "reflects its time" but the whole goddamn point of Star Trek was that it doesn't reflect our time.
I don't know enough about Elnor, gonna assume that's also a dumb point.
And he just keeps messing up
Picard being in colonizer garb at all in Star Trek is fucking dumb, but especially in this circumstance -- the Romulans were an Empire and I'm pretty sure they were colonizers. Lmao, you fucking hacks. The Romulans wouldn't be in this situation just from losing their homeworld anyway. The Federation also, to my knowledge, don't colonize. If a race doesn't want to be a part of the Federation, they leave them alone, sooo...
Picard resigned because the Federation wouldn't help them, so it's meow his fault that they're in this situation when the whole point of him resigning was because he couldn't get Starfleet to help? This show is tripping over its own bullshit. These writers and whoever wrote this article are some of the dumbest and/or at least laziest motherfuckers to ever disgrace that profession.
Kay, so lets talk privilege again: The Romulans weren't defenseless aliens. They had a vast Empire, their ships in the TNG era were more powerful than even the Federation flagship (Picard's), they were an extremely strong and cunning civilization, they used torture, subterfuge, violated treaties, and had slave labor. Apparently none of the people involved with Star Trek nor the writer of this article have actually ever watched it.
Picard and the Federation knew exactly how much "ingenuity, resolve, and self-sufficiency" the Romulans had, lol, the Romulans were a threat to the Federation, and in DS9 the rest of the quadrant needed them to defeat the Dominion and they took the lightest losses of any of the major powers in that war, so even with their homeworld being taken out they'd probably still be as or more powerful than the Federation at this point, unless this show operates in a different universe.
Picard had nothing to do with the situation and his issue with the Federation was that they wouldn't help. Again, c'mon writers, you wrote this garbage, keep track.
But he’s still organic
I can't comment much on this but from what I've seen the "Admontion" is fuckin' dumb to begin with.
The "banning synthetics" part is also stupid unless they pretend every Star Trek show before this didn't happen. Again, the "is AI sentient" thing was put to rest in TNG.
His friends make him a better person
Having good friends is a privilege? Oh fuck off. Generally, to have good friends, you have to earn them. Guinan wasn't the only one to correct Picard on TNG, the whole crew did and they collaborated on solutions to problems, same with every other Trek series. This is how I know whoever wrote this trash didn't watch TNG, like, at all. Plus, speaking of Picard's "humbling" or whatever, Q humbled his ass from the jump. Threw him into the Delta Quadrant and almost got him killed because Picard was arrogant and thought they could handle anything. Picard had to bend the knee to save everyone and Q told him he had no business out there if he "couldn't take a bloody nose", not to mention forcing Picard to review his life in the finale. Again, this was covered in TNG. He went through this thing in TNG called a
c h a r a c t e r_a r c.
He didn't need humbling.
Dumb as a second coat of paint. This show is garbage and the morons making it aren't fans of Star Trek and don't understand it on a fundamental level. I'm still waiting to find out that this was written by an angry intern trying to troll to piss off fans to lower ratings. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
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Well they are different because those flash results are based off the broadcast version. You can read there site on the various ways they make there ratings, but it's all based on digital expressions, which looks at search engines, social media, ect.... Not a perfect system, but it's one of the most highly regarded and used currently. The company actually does analytics for many types of industry.
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I usually ignore dumb shit but decided to read the article. That was a mistake. Anyway, I feel the need to comment. Lets begin (Had to omit the passages from the article or this post would be too long):
#1 is from a marginalized community.
I was stunned the first time I read this, it's literally laugh out loud funny looking at it again. I don't have an opinion on pitbulls, but marginalized community? Fucking lol.
“One of the reasons why they chose the synthetics storyline is because it’s about othering,” theorizes Dr. Thomas Parham III, an African-American communications professor and author of Hailing Frequencies Open: Communication in Star Trek: The Next Generation. “It’s all about othering.”
Yeah, so TNG already covered this, THOROUGHLY, over many episodes 30 fucking years ago. Lol. Remember how above they mention inclusion being important meow, in 2020? Yeah, the writers understood that decades ago, you fucking hacks, Star Trek has always has social justice woven into it, in fact that's in the foundation of the shows. There's a TNG episode dedicated to Data being legally considered a living being with all the rights of one, with Picard as his advocate. Measure of a Man, IIRC. In Picard, "synths" are used in exactly the way that was outlawed in that episode. TNG also made the case for other artificial lifeforms having rights, like those floaty maintenance droid things (I don't remember the name), and even nanomachines, and it did so MUCH (I can't emphasize this enough) more intelligently than the one dimensional dumpster fire that is Picard. Oh, and Data was the one who raised a lot of those points and corrected Picard as well as others who were originally dismissive of them being life.
Fucking. Idiots.
"While TNG positioned Captain Picard as an ally to marginalized groups, from Klingons to androids, Picard challenges him to check the privilege he’s enjoyed through various series as an able-bodied male Earthling of elevated Starfleet rank. Here are six times Picard called Picard out during Season 1."
THE KLINGONS WERE NOT A MARGINALIZED GROUP YOU DUMB FUCKS. The Klingon Empire was very powerful, they were a warrior race who loved battle. As mentioned, TNG spent a lot of time focusing on the "othering" of Data and AI, that was a huge aspect of the show, and meow these fucking lazy hacks think they're saying something new.
Able bodied is privilege? What about able minded? We may as well throw literally any average, basic abilities most are born with in as privilege at this point. It's losing its meaning. Don't have cancer? Privilege! Fuck off faux social justicers.
Picard is finally getting old
Since we're so woke, isn't this ageism and victim blaming? Picard got whooped and almost killed, Dahj died because the moron writers forgot that transporters and weapons that stun are a thing in Star Trek.
Picard is strong willed, kinda goes with being a highly decorated and experienced officer in a military organization.
Picard is no longer relevant
Being on the sidelines is tough for almost anyone in any profession who's had a great career. And?
Clancy not respecting Picard cussing at him is just shitty writing.
His resignation wrecked his relationships
Standing up for what he believed in and abandoning an organization he dedicated his life to on principle is actually a very courageous thing to do.
It's the 24th century in Star Trek - "class" is barely a thing in the Federation, it's almost totally socialist. There's no poverty, you almost never see anyone with substance abuse problems. That's the entire premise of the show, humans moved beyond this shit. Injecting present day attitudes and issues in Star Trek goes against the entire premise the series was founded upon. I remember reading elsewhere one of these fucking morons saying Picard "reflects its time" but the whole goddamn point of Star Trek was that it doesn't reflect our time.
I don't know enough about Elnor, gonna assume that's also a dumb point.
And he just keeps messing up
Picard being in colonizer garb at all in Star Trek is fucking dumb, but especially in this circumstance -- the Romulans were an Empire and I'm pretty sure they were colonizers. Lmao, you fucking hacks. The Romulans wouldn't be in this situation just from losing their homeworld anyway. The Federation also, to my knowledge, don't colonize. If a race doesn't want to be a part of the Federation, they leave them alone, sooo...
Picard resigned because the Federation wouldn't help them, so it's meow his fault that they're in this situation when the whole point of him resigning was because he couldn't get Starfleet to help? This show is tripping over its own bullshit. These writers and whoever wrote this article are some of the dumbest and/or at least laziest motherfuckers to ever disgrace that profession.
Kay, so lets talk privilege again: The Romulans weren't defenseless aliens. They had a vast Empire, their ships in the TNG era were more powerful than even the Federation flagship (Picard's), they were an extremely strong and cunning civilization, they used torture, subterfuge, violated treaties, and had slave labor. Apparently none of the people involved with Star Trek nor the writer of this article have actually ever watched it.
Picard and the Federation knew exactly how much "ingenuity, resolve, and self-sufficiency" the Romulans had, lol, the Romulans were a threat to the Federation, and in DS9 the rest of the quadrant needed them to defeat the Dominion and they took the lightest losses of any of the major powers in that war, so even with their homeworld being taken out they'd probably still be as or more powerful than the Federation at this point, unless this show operates in a different universe.
Picard had nothing to do with the situation and his issue with the Federation was that they wouldn't help. Again, c'mon writers, you wrote this garbage, keep track.
But he’s still organic
I can't comment much on this but from what I've seen the "Admontion" is fuckin' dumb to begin with.
The "banning synthetics" part is also stupid unless they pretend every Star Trek show before this didn't happen. Again, the "is AI sentient" thing was put to rest in TNG.
His friends make him a better person
Having good friends is a privilege? Oh fuck off. Generally, to have good friends, you have to earn them. Guinan wasn't the only one to correct Picard on TNG, the whole crew did and they collaborated on solutions to problems, same with every other Trek series. This is how I know whoever wrote this trash didn't watch TNG, like, at all. Plus, speaking of Picard's "humbling" or whatever, Q humbled his ass from the jump. Threw him into the Delta Quadrant and almost got him killed because Picard was arrogant and thought they could handle anything. Picard had to bend the knee to save everyone and Q told him he had no business out there if he "couldn't take a bloody nose", not to mention forcing Picard to review his life in the finale. Again, this was covered in TNG. He went through this thing in TNG called a
c h a r a c t e r_a r c.
He didn't need humbling.
Dumb as a second coat of paint. This show is garbage and the morons making it aren't fans of Star Trek and don't understand it on a fundamental level. I'm still waiting to find out that this was written by an angry intern trying to troll to piss off fans to lower ratings. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
Idk man. I kind of agree with the author and I think she made a lot of solid points.
But for real, good post.
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