Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[Clippy]

See, I can accept that there are going to be some new things that don't perfectly dovetail into the rest. It just depends on what things and how well written it is.

Forget perfectly fitting or minor changes like the Klingon look

Spore drive is a MAJOR deviation from trek and it makes no sense they don't still have this technology, not even 10 years later - let alone 100 years later in TNG etc

It's blatantly irresponsible. I understand there is too much lore to keep track of and minor mistakes can happen but this is next level blatant fuck you audience feeling

It's clear they aren't even a little trying

 

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Forget perfectly fitting or minor changes like the Klingon look

Spore drive is a MAJOR deviation from trek and it makes no sense they don't still have this technology, not even 10 years later - let alone 100 years later in TNG etc

It's blatantly irresponsible. I understand there is too much lore to keep track of and minor mistakes can happen but this is next level blatant fuck you audience feeling

It's clear they aren't even a little trying

It comes off like they're not writing for fans of the ST series, but rather for people who'd never seen ST before the Abrams films.
Almost like the real fans don't matter.
They don't want to be held down by the old writing, just use the names and places for foundations and reference material.

I can't really complain about something that clearly isn't being made for a fan like me.

 

[Clippy]

It comes off like they're not writing for fans of the ST series, but rather for people who'd never seen ST before the Abrams films.
Almost like the real fans don't matter.
They don't want to be held down by the old writing, just use the names and places for foundations and reference material.

I can't really complain about something that clearly isn't being made for a fan like me.

It's like casuals are writing this - super casuals were put at the helm

People who care more about woke-ness and political agendas

like everything else

A beloved childhood memory is decimated where the political message is more important than the story

Again, why the Orville exceeds modern ST - it's a passionate man trying to tell a genuinely fun story with no agenda

He cares

Nobody cares about Discovery, not even the writers

 

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It's like casuals are writing this - super casuals were put at the helm

People who care more about woke-ness and political agendas

like everything else

A beloved childhood memory is decimated where the political message is more important than the story

Again, why the Orville exceeds modern ST - it's a passionate man trying to tell a genuinely fun story with no agenda

He cares

Nobody cares about Discovery, not even the writers

I had thought it was doing well.
My buddy and his wife like it.
He was surprised at my reaction.
He's able to enjoy the new stuff and the old. I envy that.

 

[Clippy]

I had thought it was doing well.
My buddy and his wife like it.
He was surprised at my reaction.
He's able to enjoy the new stuff and the old. I envy that.

There can be value in both if you look at them as separate things

But to label both of these very different things as "Star Trek"

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There can be value in both if you look at them as separate things

But to label both of these very different things as "Star Trek"

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Thing is, I would like Discovery more if it was just some space action show and not ST.
But still, it wouldn't retain my interest.

I didn't like ENT at first. It was different, certainly. But thematically, it was written like a ST should be. Blah blah Prime Directive blah blah must do what's right blah blah important, unique species that needs our help blah blah ideals as written in the Starfleet charter blah blah sciencey Treknobabble that tries to sound like it has some basic realism to it, etc

 

[Clippy]

Thing is, I would like Discovery more if it was just some space action show and not ST.
But still, it wouldn't retain my interest.

I didn't like ENT at first. It was different, certainly. But thematically, it was written like a ST should be. Blah blah Prime Directive blah blah must do what's right blah blah important, unique species that needs our help blah blah ideals as written in the Starfleet charter blah blah sciencey Treknobabble that tries to sound like it has some basic realism to it, etc

ENt was not bad

There was some slow episodes and again, forget about Season 3

But there was some interesting conceps there - looking at early vulcans and how mind meld was apparently illegal and all that

Some early Star Fleet struggles

Sort of like Voyager in that they were essentially alone in the universe, hardly any ships - certainly no fleet

Andorians

Jeffery Combs is awesome

That progenitor episode

And most importantly - it didn't fuck with any lore or radically change basic trek concepts

Sure they met the borg and farangi for no reason, but still

 

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ENt was not bad

There was some slow episodes and again, forget about Season 3

But there was some interesting conceps there - looking at early vulcans and how mind meld was apparently illegal and all that

Some early Star Fleet struggles

Sort of like Voyager in that they were essentially alone in the universe, hardly any ships - certainly no fleet

Andorians

Jeffery Combs is awesome

That progenitor episode

And most importantly - it didn't fuck with any lore or radically change basic trek concepts

Sure they met the borg and farangi for no reason, but still

Jeffrey Combs is awesome.

I actually thought there was plenty of good stuff scattered throughout season 3.
Poor show never had a chance.

At first I was repulsed because they clearly hired Blalock for her big fake tits that were disgusting just seeing some side boob.

But she killed it as a Vulcan who hadn't totally mastered her emotions and it gave her character uniqueness and depth.

 

[Clippy]

Jeffrey Combs is awesome.

I actually thought there was plenty of good stuff scattered throughout season 3.
Poor show never had a chance.

At first I was repulsed because they clearly hired Blalock for her big fake tits that were disgusting just seeing some side boob.

But she killed it as a Vulcan who hadn't totally mastered her emotions and it gave her character uniqueness and depth.

3 did have some good bits but I found it a bit over the top most of the time - a seemingly desperate move having every ep end on a cliffhanger

Once you go serialized you typically stay that way, but they went back to episodic episodes - which I liked better but at the same time it's less epic

I was just disappointed they went there with EARTH IS DOOMED - diminishes future borg threats - guess that was nothing new afterall

When you got a giant death ball headed to earth

These scenes are quite different huh

 

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3 did have some good bits but I found it a bit over the top most of the time - a seemingly desperate move having every ep end on a cliffhanger

Once you go serialized you typically stay that way, but they went back to episodic episodes - which I liked better but at the same time it's less epic

I was just disappointed they went there with EARTH IS DOOMED - diminishes future borg threats - guess that was nothing new afterall

When you got a giant death ball headed to earth

These scenes are quite different huh

Earth has always gotta be doomed.
God I got sick of the Borg, we should never have seen them after Best of Both Worlds.
It's an inherently flawed and sometimes contradictory villain.

Giant death ball, y'all

Everybody had em

 

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LOL
I feel like you and I are the only two old men bitching up in here

 

[Clippy]

Earth has always gotta be doomed.
God I got sick of the Borg, we should never have seen them after Best of Both Worlds.
It's an inherently flawed and sometimes contradictory villain.

Giant death ball, y'all

Everybody had em

It just amused me cause Xindi ball was Trek ripping off itself, no? Borg ball?

I actually love the borg and most episodes good

Hugh ep was good

Data Lore borg weird episode sucked

I liked Scorpion Voyager borg eps

But then the borg got involved every F'n week on Voy

frig they became just a minor annoyance

*sigh* it's a borg again

Liked the One ep where future borg son of 7 and Doctor arm thingy grew up

but they took it waaay too far trying to make the borgs dream like the matrix? pffft

I have a guilty pleasure tho as I LOVED the ENterprise meets the borg ep

 

[Clippy]

LOL
I feel like you and I are the only two old men bitching up in here

My knee hurts

 

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It just amused me cause Xindi ball was Trek ripping off itself, no? Borg ball?

I actually love the borg and most episodes good

Hugh ep was good

Data Lore borg weird episode sucked

I liked Scorpion Voyager borg eps

But then the borg got involved every F'n week on Voy

frig they became just a minor annoyance

*sigh* it's a borg again

Liked the One ep where future borg son of 7 and Doctor arm thingy grew up

but they took it waaay too far trying to make the borgs dream like the matrix? pffft

I have a guilty pleasure tho as I LOVED the ENterprise meets the borg ep

I'll say that the best for me was VOY "Drone"
When Seven is at his bedside as he dies and whispers "You're hurting me" is tear jerking every time.

 

[Clippy]

I'll say that the best for me was VOY "Drone"
When Seven is at his bedside as he dies and whispers "You're hurting me" is tear jerking every time.

Maybe that was the ep I was describing but forgot the name

The whole ep was epic

Some kind of accident fused borg nanoprobes with the doctors holo-arm projector and you see a tecnholical happening

Next scene the whole fucking room is filled with borg shit and a baby borg who instantly grows up

To be a smart talking - classy 29th century borg guy.

It was so good

and then the sacrifice thing

Great stuff

 

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Maybe that was the ep I was describing but forgot the name

The whole ep was epic

Some kind of accident fused borg nanoprobes with the doctors holo-arm projector and you see a tecnholical happening

Next scene the whole fucking room is filled with borg shit and a baby borg who instantly grows up

To be a smart talking - classy 29th century borg guy.

It was so good

and then the sacrifice thing

Great stuff

That guy had a great arc.

Did they steal the whole "Character gets cyber-jacked hyperspeed data that teaches him in moments" from The Matrix, or did they steal from ST?

 

[Clippy]

That guy had a great arc.

Did they steal the whole "Character gets cyber-jacked hyperspeed data that teaches him in moments" from The Matrix, or did they steal from ST?

I think Data did it before

 

[sverre054]

It comes off like they're not writing for fans of the ST series, but rather for people who'd never seen ST before the Abrams films.
Almost like the real fans don't matter.
They don't want to be held down by the old writing, just use the names and places for foundations and reference material.

I can't really complain about something that clearly isn't being made for a fan like me.

I actually think they have been very receptive to the fans. Most of the complaints people had, they tried to address in season 2, and going into 3, they are forging there own path in canon. Season 1 canon wise was a total mess, but still had some interesting stories and great plotline with Lorca. Season 2 they developed the crew, and actually made you care about them.

 

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I'm out of town, and the hotel had the heroes network, and I was pleased to see they play a 4-hour block of Star Trek every night. They play TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. Been a long time since I've watched Enterprise on non-streaming TV