THE REPORT, buttoned up (SCO Thread v. 33)

[waiguoren]

The report details extensive corruption from the administration, including collusion with a hostile foreign gov't

 

[andnowweknow]

What sort of response is that to a rational mundane fact presented in the report?

 

[MikeMcMann]

Hey @MikeMcMann, what happened to those "collusion" charges Mueller already filed?

I have never said collusion is a chargeable crime. NEVER.

What I said is collusion is being used as an umbrella term for the two elements of hte Mueller Mandate "links' and 'Coordination' with Russians which Mueller was empowered to investigate.

And I also said the Mueller filings already established the 'links' and 'coordination' (thus the collusion) between Trump and key members of his campaign and I was 100% right.

I also said i did not necessarily believe it would ever rise to a criminal level for indictment on that front which is not the only standard for 'links' and 'coordination' with Russia.

So "what happened"? Well. I was proved right, once again.

 

[glenwo2]

Just copy that, and get ready to paste it...a lot.

We're witnessing the Liberal equivalent of little children being told Santa Claus isn't real. It's gonna be a bit of a shit storm.

I even PM'ed the guy who was all "Duhh...Where are you, glenwo2....duhh..." in FIVE STRAIGHT PAGES!! <Lmaoo>

 

[bushman505]

It's either that, or the country is completely fucked. So, I either win the bet, or it's irrelevant to me because we're at a point of full autocracy.

So a president you don’t like = autocracy.....got it.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

it is undeniable that:

- Russia was meddling in the election
- Manafort and others in the Trump campaign had all sorts of links and coordination with Russia
- That Trump and most of his key Campaign people were lying constantly about 'links' and/or 'coordination' with Russia


There is no instance where any one of the 3 above points SHOULD NOT be investigated fully. If you disagree tell me which point is not worthy of investigation?


People on this forum seem to make the mistake of thinking investigations are only justified if they result in guilt. That is false. Investigations can be justified to determine if one is guilty OR NOT.

Exactly.
An investigation is an investigation. It is not a mission to prove guilt. It is a mission to find facts.
It means there is some shady shit that is going on that needs to be looked into.
This idea that Inga is throwing out that it was a "baseless" investigation is absurd. Just because Trump wasn't found guilty of collusion doesn't mean that the investigation was baseless or meritless.
There was obviously shady shit and connections going on with Russia and members of Trump's team. How the hell do you not investigate that?

 

[HereticBD]

Well. I was proved right, once again.

...

Mueller has ALREADY filed the collusion allegations.

Lying makes baby Jesus cry, little Mikey.

 

[bobgeese]

Odd, how come not a single democrat will acknowledge that Rosenstien and the OLC also agreed in the decisions today.

Politically, my 2 cent. Dems should rabble for 2 weeks, hope it disappears over the following month, and try to run someone who’s not been associated with “Muh Russia”.


Serious thought, have the media temporarily pissed off enough viewers (the ratings have been very bad post Meuller) that will turn them off for a bit, at the exact time they need to get these candidates faces out there?

 

[Lord Coke]

@Quipling I'll give you props I tried to get through it and the report was just to damn dry

 

[MikeMcMann]

Exactly.
An investigation is an investigation. It is not a mission to prove guilt. It is a mission to find facts.
It means there is some shady shit that is going on that needs to be looked into.
This idea that Inga is throwing out that it was a "baseless" investigation is absurd. Just because Trump wasn't found guilty of collusion doesn't mean that the investigation was baseless or meritless.
There was obviously shady shit and connections going on with Russia and members of Trump's team. How the hell do you not investigate that?

She is basically trolling now. She is making statements but not trying to defend or debate her points as she knows she cannot. Most of the Trump trolls do that. Just statement after statement thinking they are trolling the libzlololol.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

You say a lot of things are demonstrably false.

Do you want to take it to the bet thread he did not come up with nothing and in fact come up with all sorts of indictments and convictions that went to the most core element of why the investigations was constituted?

Are you willing to stand behind your words?

Of course I stand by my words. Who did Mueller indict or convict of colluding with Russia to manipulate the 2016 election? No one. Mueller states repeatedly in his report that no members of Trump's campaign or administration were found to have colluded with Russia. You can call it demonstrably false, but you are unable to demonstrate that this is false.

Here's Mueller: "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the IRA." (The IRA is the Internet Research Agency)
Here's Mueller again with more focus on Trump's campaign: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Mueller again and again says there is no evidence to support the claim that any member of the Trump campaign, administration, or that any US citizen colluded or coordinated with the Russians in their attempts to manipulate the election.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You mean that Great Recession that's been Predicted since Day 1 of his Presidency?

Nope. Bush's from '07/08. Not sure how old you are but a lot of people took a wash.

 

[HereticBD]

Mueller again and again says there is no evidence to support the claim that any member of the Trump campaign, administration, or that any US citizen colluded or coordinated with the Russians in their attempts to manipulate the election.

You're talking to a guy who claimed Mueller had already filed "collusion" allegations months ago.

Edit - *ALREADY

 

[MikeMcMann]

Of course I stand by my words. Who did Mueller indict or convict of colluding with Russia to manipulate the 2016 election? No one. Mueller states repeatedly in his report that no members of Trump's campaign or administration were found to have colluded with Russia. You can call it demonstrably false, but you are unable to demonstrate that this is false.

Here's Mueller: "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the IRA." (The IRA is the Internet Research Agency)
Here's Mueller again with more focus on Trump's campaign: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Mueller again and again says there is no evidence to support the claim that any member of the Trump campaign, administration, or that any US citizen colluded or coordinated with the Russians in their attempts to manipulate the election.

Again stop trying to change the narrative.

Do I need to post the Mueller Mandate?

You are claiming the investigation was unsuccessful and a waste which means it did not achieve its mandate.

Take this to the bet thread with me if you believe that. Prove you are willing to stand behind your words or don't and keep trolling.

i am not going to allow you to create your own question about what YOU SAY the Mueller investigation needed to prove anymore than you would let me make up the same. There are FACTS here. Facts written i the mandate. And either the Mueller Investigation addressed those facts successfully or it failed, as you say. Lets bet on it.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You have got to be a relative of Seth, Homer. <[analyzed}>

<puh-lease75>

 

[HereticBD]

Again stop trying to change the narrative.

Do I need to post the Mueller Mandate?

You are claiming the investigation was unsuccessful and a waste which means it did not achieve its mandate.

Take this to the bet thread with me if you believe that. Prove you are willing to stand behind your words or don't and keep trolling.

i am not going to allow you to create your own question about what YOU SAY the Mueller investigation needed to prove anymore than you would let me make up the same. There are FACTS here. Facts written i the mandate. And either the Mueller Investigation addressed those facts successfully or it failed, as you say. Lets bet on it.

Oh' my lord...

LOL.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

The report details extensive corruption from the administration, including collusion with a hostile foreign gov't

Liar. Mueller says the opposite many times in his report:

"The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the IRA."
"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

 

[MikeMcMann]

@IngaVovchanchyn, not going to allow you to duck this.

Do you agree that all three of these things are accurate...


- Russia was meddling in the election
- Manafort and others in the Trump campaign had all sorts of links and coordination with Russia
- That Trump and most of his key Campaign people were lying constantly about 'links' and/or 'coordination' with Russia

----

If yes which, if any of them, do you think a responsible US govt should not investigate?

 

[HereticBD]

@IngaVovchanchyn, not going to allow you to duck this.

Do you agree that all three of these things are accurate...


- Russia was meddling in the election
- Manafort and others in the Trump campaign had all sorts of links and coordination with Russia
- That Trump and most of his key Campaign people were lying constantly about 'links' and/or 'coordination' with Russia

----

If yes which, if any of them, do you think a responsible US govt should not investigate?

Huh Inga, HUH?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

Totally not unhinged. Totally sane.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Oh' my lord...

LOL.

lol. at you being so stupid you still have no clue what the first and most relevant point of the Mueller Mandate was and that makes you think my comments are laughable.

Here it is for you...

Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States

Department of Justice.
(b)

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI... including:
(i)

any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; ...


Mueller absolutely found all sorts of "links" and "coordination" between the Russian gov't and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and Trump himself.

That is fact. They lied about but he found them out.

There is no one Trumpster who will bet me at any odds that i cannot prove that. I offer an account bet if I lose versus 1 month Av and Sig control if I win but still not one of you will take it. Becuase you are just trolling while knowing you are wrong.