THE REPORT, buttoned up (SCO Thread v. 33)

[HereticBD]

lol. at you being so stupid you still have no clue what the first and most relevant point of the Mueller Mandate was and that makes you think my comments are laughable.

Here it is for you...

Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States

Department of Justice.
(b)

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI... including:
(i)

any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; ...


Mueller absolutely found all sorts of "links" and "coordination" between the Russian gov't and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and Trump himself.

That is fact. They lied about but he found them out.

There is no one Trumpster who will bet me at any odds that i cannot prove that. I offer an account bet if I lose versus 1 month Av and Sig control if I win but still not one of you will take it. Becuase you are just trolling while knowing you are wrong.

LOL

Keep going, little Mikey. If for nothing else, you're entertaining.

Oh' and what happened to those "collusion" filings Mueller had already filed?

Edit - *ALREADY filed

 

[MikeMcMann]

LOL

Keep going, little Mikey. If for nothing else, you're entertaining.

I love how I've reduced you to a pure troll. You are so eager to refute when you can but with me you got nothing. Zero you can refute.

 

[My Spot]

lol. at you being so stupid you still have no clue what the first and most relevant point of the Mueller Mandate was and that makes you think my comments are laughable.

Here it is for you...

Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States

Department of Justice.
(b)

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI... including:
(i)

any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; ...


Mueller absolutely found all sorts of "links" and "coordination" between the Russian gov't and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and Trump himself.

That is fact. They lied about but he found them out.

There is no one Trumpster who will bet me at any odds that i cannot prove that. I offer an account bet if I lose versus 1 month Av and Sig control if I win but still not one of you will take it. Becuase you are just trolling while knowing you are wrong.

So is this it?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Again stop trying to change the narrative.

What "narrative"? If the narrative is similar to @Jack V Savage's erroneous erroneous claims that Mueller's report demonstrates that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, then of course I'm trying to change it, because it isn't true.

Instead of trying to call me out, why not simply address the quotes I replied to you with, in which Mueller explicitly says multiple times that the evidence does not support that anyone affiliated with trump's campaign, and in fact no US citizen at all, colluded or coordinated with the Russian government?

There has to be back and forth in a constructive discussion, right? So please actually read my replies for once and then respond to them. Then I will read your replies and respond. Think of it as a conversation rather than a shouting match.

 

[HereticBD]

So is this it?

It was it a few months ago. Don't you know that Mueller already filed "collusion" allegations?

Edit - *ALREADY

 

[Jack V Savage]

Of course I stand by my words. Who did Mueller indict or convict of colluding with Russia to manipulate the 2016 election? No one. Mueller states repeatedly in his report that no members of Trump's campaign or administration were found to have colluded with Russia. You can call it demonstrably false, but you are unable to demonstrate that this is false.

Here's Mueller: "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the IRA." (The IRA is the Internet Research Agency)
Here's Mueller again with more focus on Trump's campaign: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Mueller again and again says there is no evidence to support the claim that any member of the Trump campaign, administration, or that any US citizen colluded or coordinated with the Russians in their attempts to manipulate the election.

Your last sentence is a lie. Note that the report says:

A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

"Establish" here has a specific meaning.

Then there's this:

Like collusion, “coordination” does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests.

Later a lot of evidence of "coordination" is referring to, though the report says that it is not sufficient to "establish" it.

This:

President Trump reacted negatively to the Special Counsel’s appointment. He told advisors that it was the end of his presidency, sought to have Attorney General Jefferson (Jeff) Sessions unrecuse from the Russia investigation and to have the Special Counsel removed, and engaged in efforts to curtail the Special Counsel’s investigation and prevent the disclosure of evidence to it, including through public and private contacts with potential witnesses. Those and related actions are described and analyzed in Volume II of the report.

And what it refers to directly contradicts Barr's claims (more egregiously in other parts). For example:

Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.

Also with regard to the IRA, the report states:

Among the U.S. “leaders of public opinion” targeted by the IRA were various members and surrogates of the Trump Campaign. In total, Trump Campaign affiliates promoted dozens of tweets, posts, and other political content created by the IRA.

* Posts from the IRA-controlled Twitter account @TEN_GOP were cited or retweeted by multiple Trump Campaign officials and surrogates, including Donald J. Trump Jr.,96 Eric Trump, 97 Kellyanne Conway,98 Brad Parscale,99 and Michael T. Flynn.100 These posts included allegations of voter fraud,101 as well as allegations that Secretary Clinton had mishandled classified information.

Much detail on that.

With regard to the hacks:

The Trump Campaign showed interest in the WikiLeaks releases and, in the summer and fall of 2016, ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ After ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ WikiLeaks’s first Clinton-related release ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■, the Trump Campaign stayed in contact ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ about WikiLeaks’s activities.

...

The GRU’s operations extended beyond stealing materials, and included releasing documents stolen from the Clinton Campaign and its supporters. The GRU carried out the anonymous release through two fictitious online personas that it created — DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 — and later through the organization WikiLeaks.

... (lots of interesting looking stuff redacted)

According to Gates, by the late summer of 2016, the Trump Campaign was planning a press strategy, a communications campaign, and messaging based on the possible release of Clinton emails by WikiLeaks.

^^^This is collusion.

■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■.208■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ while Trump and Gates were driving to LaGuardia Airport. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■, shortly after the call candidate Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming

Trump Jr. attached a screenshot of the “About” page for the unlaunched site Putin Trump.org. The next day (after the website had launched publicly), Trump Jr. sent a direct message to WikiLeaks: “Off the record, I don’t know who that is but I’ll ask around. Thanks.”255

On October 3, 2016, WikiLeaks sent another direct message to Trump Jr., asking “you guys” to help disseminate a link alleging candidate Clinton had advocated using a drone to target Julian Assange. Trump Jr. responded that he already “had done so,” and asked, “what’s behind this Wednesday leak I keep reading about?:256 WikiLeaks did not respond.

On October 12, 2016, WikiLeaks wrote again that it was “great to see you and your dad talking about our publications. Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us wlsearch.tk."257WikiLeaks wrote that the link would help Trump in “digging through” leaked emails and stated, “we just released Podesta emails Part 4."258 Two days later, Trump Jr. publicly tweeted the wlsearch.tk link.

More.

After candidate Trump stated on July 27, 2016, that he hoped Russia would “find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump asked individuals affiliated with his Campaign to find the deleted Clinton emails.264 Michael Flynn — who would later serve as National Security Advisor in the Trump Administration recalled that Trump made this request repeatedly, and Flynn subsequently contacted multiple people in an effort to obtain the emails.

More. Etc. Read the report.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What "narrative"? If the narrative is similar to @Jack V Savage's erroneous erroneous claims that Mueller's report demonstrates that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, then of course I'm trying to change it, because it isn't true.

See above. The claims are demonstrably true. You're just a dishonest partisan who doesn't care about the facts and who will defend anything any Republican does.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Why would trump be “fucked” once mueller was on the case? Why would he tell his team to remove mueller. But good for trump supporters for sticking with their scumbag lying piece of shit president.

 

[unimackpass]

Greenwald is no fan of trump at all but he seeks objectivity and honesty.
The blind following the blind could have saved themselves alot of crow eating if they checked in with him instead of taking it from a Maddow strap on while face down.

Glenn Greenwald talks straight up concerning this whole debacle and explains why the media is in a bubble.
"Donald Trump broke a lot of brains" sounds like the war room
"They know they've been discredited" dido
"They know this whole thing has collapsed as a hoax"
"You would hope they have a little bit of shame for loosing ANY credibility, not hopeful though"
"Seemingly shifted from collusion to obstruction and pretend they've been right all along"
ect. ect.

 

[HereticBD]

You're just a dishonest partisan who doesn't care about the facts

Projecting...

 

[Jack V Savage]

Greenwald is no fan of trump at all but he seeks objectivity and honesty.

LOL! Greenwald is one of the most dishonest people in the media and has embarrassed himself apologizing for Trump constantly.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Your last sentence is a lie. Note that the report says:



"Establish" here has a specific meaning.

Then there's this:



Later a lot of evidence of "coordination" is referring to, though the report says that it is not sufficient to "establish" it.

This:



And what it refers to directly contradicts Barr's claims (more egregiously in other parts). For example:



Also with regard to the IRA, the report states:



Much detail on that.

With regard to the hacks:



...



... (lots of interesting looking stuff redacted)



^^^This is collusion.





More.



More. Etc. Read the report.

My post was obviously not a lie since it consisted of quotes from the report you insist I haven't read. Mueller repeatedly makes it explicit that the evidence does not establish the claims of collusion by Trump, the Trump campaign, or any US person. No doubt this is why he opted not to pursue charges related to collusion against anyone.

If you see collusion in Mueller's report, then your problem isn't with me but with Mueller, because he makes it clear that he does not.

 

[Jack V Savage]

My post was obviously not a lie since it consisted of quotes from the report you insist I haven't read.

One deceptive one and one irrelevant one, yes.

And this: "Mueller again and again says there is no evidence to support the claim that any member of the Trump campaign, administration, or that any US citizen colluded or coordinated with the Russians in their attempts to manipulate the election." Is just a baldfaced lie.

Mueller repeatedly makes it explicit that the evidence does not support the claims of collusion by Trump, the Trump campaign, or any US person.

If he makes it clear, surely you can cite several pieces of the report that support that claim. If someone makes something clear, then there words are unambiguous. But obviously you cannot cite any such thing as you're flatly lying. He makes it quite clear that there is extensive evidence of collusion.

If you see collusion in Mueller's report, then your problem isn't with me but with Mueller, because he makes it clear that he does not.

But what about the bits that I quoted that show collusion? And note that that's just a sampling. There is a lot more. And how do you respond to the bits that clearly contradict what Barr said? Barr is lying, right? I don't see how there's any other interpretation there?

 

[grizzard2bid]

Why would trump be “fucked” once mueller was on the case? Why would he tell his team to remove mueller. But good for trump supporters for sticking with their scumbag lying piece of shit president.

Holy TDS, bro.
I login in at around 5 o'clock and leftists are crying.
I login again at 11 and you people are full on raging.

Let it go. Don Lemon put on his serious glasses today, but every house rep he had on told him Trump won't be removed. In fact, that D congressman, whatever his name was, said they wouldn't even bother with impeachment if they don't have the votes in the senate. This means he doesn't think they have the votes in the House even. LOL

 

[MikeMcMann]

What "narrative"? If the narrative is similar to @Jack V Savage's erroneous erroneous claims that Mueller's report demonstrates that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, then of course I'm trying to change it, because it isn't true.

Instead of trying to call me out, why not simply address the quotes I replied to you with, in which Mueller explicitly says multiple times that the evidence does not support that anyone affiliated with trump's campaign, and in fact no US citizen at all, colluded or coordinated with the Russian government?

There has to be back and forth in a constructive discussion, right? So please actually read my replies for once and then respond to them. Then I will read your replies and respond. Think of it as a conversation rather than a shouting match.

Stop ignoring this...

Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Special] Counsel for the United States

Department of Justice.
(b)

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confined by then-FBI... including:
(i)

any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; ...


The above is what the Mueller Investigation that you are saying was unsuccessful and waste was constituted to find. Its the first point.

I do not require you trying to frame what Mueller was supposed to investigate any more than you need me to frame it as the words above are clear and indisputable.There is nothing about them that needs you to paraphrase.

Do you stand by saying the Mueller Investigation was unsuccessful and a waste and will you bet me. The entire onus will be on me to prove my case or you win. You don't need to prove anything.

 

[HereticBD]

LOL! Greenwald is one of the most dishonest people in the media and has embarrassed himself apologizing for Trump constantly.

One of them @zebby23 like posts again...

Yeesh...

 

[method115]

So looks like Schiff also said no impeachment. Guess the report wasn't enough for the democrats

 

[Jack V Savage]

So looks like Schiff also said no impeachment. Guess the report wasn't enough for the democrats

They said they weren't planning on impeachment before the report came out. I'd think the contents should call that decision into question but there's still the fact that Republican senators would never go along, and they want to run on policy in the election.

 

[GSP_37]

Why would trump be “fucked” once mueller was on the case? Why would he tell his team to remove mueller. But good for trump supporters for sticking with their scumbag lying piece of shit president.

Contemplation of guilt. He knew he did bad shit. FBI should have done 24/7 video/audio surveillance on him. Rod should have worn the wire.

It's very disturbing to know there are so many corrupt bastards in the highest offices of government and so many who will protect them. This is probably how dictators rise to power.

 

[HereticBD]

So looks like Schiff also said no impeachment. Guess the report wasn't enough for the democrats

They're in a tough spot. When Schiff For Brains admits defeat, it's a dark day for them. All his bluster, and he tells his people "no dice". Yikes. What a pathetic bunch of fuckin' losers.